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I never thought I'd want to nominate two Skywest captains for tool of the day. I've never flown with a captain who is as much of a tool as you guys.
Quote: Ok chief.

Have a nice day.
Pagey,

He's being an ass, no doubt. But there are times when we take off unpressurized, and get the bleeds back on during the after T/O check. This would be for performance reasons, with a deferred APU. The procedure is in APP A.
Quote: So just don't board then until your FO does the walk around. I'm sure you do that right since that's the only way to comply with what you posted.
Its not that tough, the F/O exits the flight deck right after the Shut Down Checklist and does his/her job. With MST at 29 minutes for the A/C I fly there is plenty of time for a call and MEL fix or even quick repair. That's how I was taught as an F/O. If going outside 2 times is too much work, I might suggest ditch digging as an alternate.....
Quote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding.

So you're taking off unpressurized?

Yes. When it's 100 degrees in Denver and your density altitude is 10,000 feet you can't afford to lose any thrust through the bleeds.
Quote: I never thought I'd want to nominate two Skywest captains for tool of the day. I've never flown with a captain who is as much of a tool as you guys.
Agreed. Fortunately guys like that are pretty rare here though. I've flown with only a couple of guys like that, and there was usually a pretty good reason for their attitude (usually an insecurity issue of some type).
Quote: Pagey,

He's being an ass, no doubt. But there are times when we take off unpressurized, and get the bleeds back on during the after T/O check. This would be for performance reasons, with a deferred APU. The procedure is in APP A.
If he/she didn't know that, one of 2 things:
1) Ignorant
2) Not a pilot(CRJ or otherwise)
Quote: If he/she didn't know that, one of 2 things:
1) Ignorant
2) Not a pilot(CRJ or otherwise)
No need to be nasty about it. That's why I told him where to find the info. I find that there are things I learn all the time, including stuff I had forgotten about but should probably know.
Quote: I never thought I'd want to nominate two Skywest captains for tool of the day. I've never flown with a captain who is as much of a tool as you guys.
Sigh, maybe some of it hasn't been as diplomatic as it would, or should, be inside the flight deck, that's the function of the interwebs. But seriously, just so I understand: captains point out that many FO's here fall short of being the captain-ready legends they are inside their own minds and require a bit too much coaching to do the basic parts of their job, and that makes those captains tools? Got it. Guess we hit a nerve.
Quote: No need to be nasty about it. That's why I told him where to find the info. I find that there are things I learn all the time, including stuff I had forgotten about but should probably know.
Unpressurized T/O was covered in many of my training events, past and fairly recent. Not to mention having done more than my fair share as a F/O and CA. This is not an obscure reference, might not be that that common, but if one shows up to the plane with a deferred APU and asks me how to do an unpressurized T/O, there might be some conversation, might even be slightly to the point. I do my homework, I expect everybody else to do theirs.
Quote: Huh,
CRJ SOP Pg 1-7,8
9. Aircraft Preflight
D, 1)a "External Walkaround"

Comes before
Pg 1-1.9 Passenger Boarding

And
1-1.9
11 A. After the aircraft pre-flight responsibilities have been completed, the
captain or first officer notifies the station the flight is ready for passenger
boarding.

Your "time" is best spent complying with the SOP as its written, not your idea of how it should be....the pre/post flight inspection is done before boarding so passengers aren't boarded onto a broken plane and MX has the maximum amount of time to remedy the situation.

This is exactly what I am talking about, F/Os doing what they think is their "interpretation" of the SOP. Nice try though, an alarming number of F/Os have this "interpretation" attitude,
On a handful of occasions we've been way over fueled had we decided to board before I checked it folks would have been on board for the 20+ minutes it took to defuel never mind the fact that the APU's and packs suck in the dead of summer. If something ends up being broke you're going to be delayed 9/10 times and the few extra minutes it saves you with your phone call isn't going to make a difference, what does make a difference? Me not feeling rushed and checking over the release, double checking the radar on my phone reviewing charts for taxi and departures even though Sky Gods such as yourself already "do that" I still do it myself to be on the safe side.
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