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#7871
And I would bet on the fact the company knows the people most frustrated are actively trying to leave. It's part of the plan. There will be very few left to tell the new guys how good it could be if they would just stop and listen.
#7872
Little imperfections? Aren't you a new guy? You've got some nerve talking like that. Just look on this board and others like it and consider the problems people are discussing. It's generally not the negative Nancy's talking. And don't lump NevJets into this. It's serious people talking about systemic problems. You're like a child talking about something you know very little about. With some perspective and respect to the people who have come before you, you should listen to them about the large shift in direction at the company. It's not doom and gloom. But it is a significant change for the worse.
And I would bet on the fact the company knows the people most frustrated are actively trying to leave. It's part of the plan. There will be very few left to tell the new guys how good it could be if they would just stop and listen.
And I would bet on the fact the company knows the people most frustrated are actively trying to leave. It's part of the plan. There will be very few left to tell the new guys how good it could be if they would just stop and listen.
#7873
Yeah you guys are right, the scheduling here is pretty poor I won't argue with that. I suppose the fact that I'm trying to work extra mitigates that frustration for me. As far as the "kool aid" I wouldn't go that far. I've definitely had a few days where I've wanted to punch a hole in the wall courtesy of good ol CS. I've also filed a couple of PICs already so I think I've seen the ugly side as well as the good. However, I've spent more than enough time in the past being a negative wretch about my work and allowing that to poison my attitude and make me miserable. I refuse to do that any longer.
I've been fortunate enough to fly mostly with guys that share my enthusiasm for being positive. So I'm reporting what I've seen. I also don't think a union is going to solve our problems as much as they will create new ones. But what do I know? I'm just a new guy
I've been fortunate enough to fly mostly with guys that share my enthusiasm for being positive. So I'm reporting what I've seen. I also don't think a union is going to solve our problems as much as they will create new ones. But what do I know? I'm just a new guy
#7874
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,544
Id be shocked beyond years if we went down to 2-3 years. I'm at 4 and I'm 400 away, with no net gain/loss of flying (unlikely since were parking about 35 Bros). Skywest is filled with very senior people that won't lewve even if they are 20-25 years from retirement. Even a great influx of new flying such as 50 planes would only move up the upgrade a year. (250 pilots, current attrition is 20-25 captains a month). There's a big bubble that will lower it about 1.5 years but I doubt it'll go below 5 anytime soon, hope I'm proven wrong.
#7875
Id be shocked beyond years if we went down to 2-3 years. I'm at 4 and I'm 400 away, with no net gain/loss of flying (unlikely since were parking about 35 Bros). Skywest is filled with very senior people that won't lewve even if they are 20-25 years from retirement. Even a great influx of new flying such as 50 planes would only move up the upgrade a year. (250 pilots, current attrition is 20-25 captains a month). There's a big bubble that will lower it about 1.5 years but I doubt it'll go below 5 anytime soon, hope I'm proven wrong.
Take that with a grain of salt, lots of things not factored into that. I'm not super concerned with the effect that the brasilia going away will have, as they said a lot of the routes will be replaced with 50 seaters, and they were definitely pulling several of those out of the desert just 6 months ago. But lots can change, attrition could be higher or lower, we could gain or lose more flying, it's a bit of a crapshoot. I may be on the optimistic side, but to me a 4 year upgrade sounds reasonable for new hires at the moment.
#7876
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Skywest
This has been discussed ad naseum. The conventional wisdom is that no regional (even big ones) have enough financial resources to support the types of benefits/activities that one expects of an airline union. Supposedly the economy of scale allows national to provide some things like insurance and high-end legal/negotiating assistance.
But at the major level the pilots don't compete directly for flying, and the company isn't going to liquidate itself out of spite if the pilots get a good contract. There's a lot more potential for coordination and teamwork at the major level. With regionals, it's just wack-a-mole, and people are learning not to stick their heads up.
I wouldn't say ALPA does nothing for the regional carriers. For example - they do a great job of keeping bad pilots in the air. You can do all three of these things and keep your job.
1. Land at the wrong airport
2. Refuse to deice and take off with heavy frost / snow accumulation.
3. Do a quick turn with one engine running.
This was all one person mind you. So yes when it comes to certificate action - ALPA knows what they're doing at the regionals.
1. Land at the wrong airport
2. Refuse to deice and take off with heavy frost / snow accumulation.
3. Do a quick turn with one engine running.
This was all one person mind you. So yes when it comes to certificate action - ALPA knows what they're doing at the regionals.
There is definitely truth to this. Just as OJ was entitled to a defense, so is any pilot that is represented by a union. If management doesn't present a good enough case, just as with OJ, then the accused is off the hook. Temporarily at least. Once you have a union, the burden of proof falls on management, opposite of what you have now. But without a union, unlike an alleged criminal that at least has a public defender, you have to pay for your own defense. Ask DD about that. Anyway, once you put yourself on the radar, the company will eventually get something on you. At least that has been my experience.
CC
Check the internal forums. I'm glad to see the issue being discussed. I agree that it is time to stop the backwards slide because we shouldn't be discussing concessions when we are holding Inc up. PBS transparency alone is worth 2% to me. Wait until we see how many Bro guys get bent over with the reduction. I bet it would be worth some money for them to have an idea of how to plan their life over the next year.
Check the internal forums. I'm glad to see the issue being discussed. I agree that it is time to stop the backwards slide because we shouldn't be discussing concessions when we are holding Inc up. PBS transparency alone is worth 2% to me. Wait until we see how many Bro guys get bent over with the reduction. I bet it would be worth some money for them to have an idea of how to plan their life over the next year.
Yeah you guys are right, the scheduling here is pretty poor I won't argue with that. I suppose the fact that I'm trying to work extra mitigates that frustration for me. As far as the "kool aid" I wouldn't go that far. I've definitely had a few days where I've wanted to punch a hole in the wall courtesy of good ol CS. I've also filed a couple of PICs already so I think I've seen the ugly side as well as the good. However, I've spent more than enough time in the past being a negative wretch about my work and allowing that to poison my attitude and make me miserable. I refuse to do that any longer.
I've been fortunate enough to fly mostly with guys that share my enthusiasm for being positive. So I'm reporting what I've seen. I also don't think a union is going to solve our problems as much as they will create new ones. But what do I know? I'm just a new guy
I've been fortunate enough to fly mostly with guys that share my enthusiasm for being positive. So I'm reporting what I've seen. I also don't think a union is going to solve our problems as much as they will create new ones. But what do I know? I'm just a new guy
You don't have to be a negative wretch. You can be positive and also have the opinion that you would be better off with a union. Think of it this way, if SAPA was the same organization it is now with the same people in its leadership and committees, except for that they were recognized by the NMB as your collective bargaining agent, how would that create any more problems than they do now? Giving them union status just gives them an actual voice, a place at the table, more tools to use, leverage, etc. It shouldn't change anything as far as your current labor-management relations. What problems do you think would be created?
#7878
Some of us choose to look at the glass as half full. Attitudes are contagious...nothing worse than someone who consistently spews negativity.
CC i agree, most of the guys I've flown with as well don't have a sour attitude and are a pleasure to fly with.
CC i agree, most of the guys I've flown with as well don't have a sour attitude and are a pleasure to fly with.
#7879
You don't have to be a negative wretch. You can be positive and also have the opinion that you would be better off with a union. Think of it this way, if SAPA was the same organization it is now with the same people in its leadership and committees, except for that they were recognized by the NMB as your collective bargaining agent, how would that create any more problems than they do now? Giving them union status just gives them an actual voice, a place at the table, more tools to use, leverage, etc. It shouldn't change anything as far as your current labor-management relations. What problems do you think would be created?
It was brought up earlier in the thread by somebody but part of what makes skywest great is the family atmosphere. everyone gets treated well (somewhat).
The problem is that if they give us pilots more, other positions will want more as well. If we were unionized, the company could just point the blame and say they have no choice but to give us more because of the union. Thus we get more.
That all being said, I just wish the PPM was an enforcible contract complete with a glossary and less loopholes. Specifically the "company need".
define what is and isn't company need. right now company need is anything cs wants no matter what else is going on in the world.
#7880
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: B767
Posts: 1,901
Id be shocked beyond years if we went down to 2-3 years. I'm at 4 and I'm 400 away, with no net gain/loss of flying (unlikely since were parking about 35 Bros). Skywest is filled with very senior people that won't lewve even if they are 20-25 years from retirement. Even a great influx of new flying such as 50 planes would only move up the upgrade a year. (250 pilots, current attrition is 20-25 captains a month). There's a big bubble that will lower it about 1.5 years but I doubt it'll go below 5 anytime soon, hope I'm proven wrong.
I don't know how long upgrades will take, but I can't imagine it will be more than 1-2 years (for you and I). I think you'll be fine.
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