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03-20-2015, 09:06 PM
#9331
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Posts: 613
Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
I completely agree. And I spoke with RJ about that but as I understand it sapas position is essentially "the company is going to get what they want one way or another and we might as well try and get something for it."
At first this seems ludicrous but at the end of the day, this is where the pro Union guys like Nevets et al are right...Sapa has no leverage. The company can do pretty much as they please. And while there may be some (or a lot) of ball twisting done by the company with Sapa, this is something I actually believe when I hear them say "what can we do"
At first this seems ludicrous but at the end of the day, this is where the pro Union guys like Nevets et al are right...Sapa has no leverage. The company can do pretty much as they please. And while there may be some (or a lot) of ball twisting done by the company with Sapa, this is something I actually believe when I hear them say "what can we do"
03-21-2015, 04:10 AM
#9332
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Originally Posted by disillusioned
Exactly!! The whole reason for SAPA is to give us the illusion that we have a say. If SAPA would just stand up and tell the company to pound sand, then they would have to force something on us and show their hand. Same as the E175 rate. They already had the contracts and knew what they were going to pay us. There was no negotiation. Instead, we gave up training seat locks and the ability to jumpseat and took whatever rate they had in mind. Until our pilot group understands what unity will bring us, we will just keep replaying this Groundhog day.
Instead of having the illusion of a say, why don't you guys unify and actually get a say and not have to replay Groundhog Day? What am I missing?
03-21-2015, 05:22 AM
#9333
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Capt
Posts: 611
Originally Posted by Nevets
Instead of having the illusion of a say, why don't you guys unify and actually get a say and not have to replay Groundhog Day? What am I missing?
03-21-2015, 05:38 AM
#9334
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 126
Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
When can we expect the cards? I'll sign one. Enough is enough
That horse was led to water several times and it didnt want to drink.
03-21-2015, 05:50 AM
#9335
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Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,544
Originally Posted by panda1801
Thanks. How are bids looking for SEA and PDX?
03-21-2015, 06:12 AM
#9336
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: CRJ Captain
Posts: 195
Originally Posted by Squallrider
It'll go senior
I've heard that there's some people up there with less than a year seniority... Is that true?
03-21-2015, 06:33 AM
#9337
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Position: Capt
Posts: 611
Originally Posted by Leroy Smith
If I had to guess, y'ins will have to do some organizing on your own.
That horse was led to water several times and it didnt want to drink.
That horse was led to water several times and it didnt want to drink.
03-21-2015, 10:14 AM
#9338
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Position: Another RJ FO
Posts: 1,272
Originally Posted by BrasiliaFlyer
I've heard that there's some people up there with less than a year seniority... Is that true?
The way things are moving everywhere right now hardly anything is really senior for FOs. There are <1 year pilots everywhere except PDX, PHX and PSP
03-21-2015, 10:17 AM
#9339
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Position: Another RJ FO
Posts: 1,272
Originally Posted by JustAMushroom
The last few times we had a vote the economics were totally different. The "don't rock the boat" camp has seen the light. This is the best time in the last 15!years to have this vote.
I actually think now is a worse time for it than it has been in the past due to the high turnover. When everything was stagnated the people who were really pro-union were forced to stick around and fight for it. Today they're all either gone already or well on their way to leaving.
03-21-2015, 10:35 AM
#9340
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Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,483
Originally Posted by rcfd13
It's true for SEA, not PDX. The most junior in PDX is still around 2 years but PDX is smaller.
The way things are moving everywhere right now hardly anything is really senior for FOs. There are <1 year pilots everywhere except PDX, PHX and PSP
The way things are moving everywhere right now hardly anything is really senior for FOs. There are <1 year pilots everywhere except PDX, PHX and PSP
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