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Old 04-23-2015, 10:45 AM
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I wonder what a seniority list integration would look like with a non-union entity?
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Old 04-23-2015, 10:50 AM
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Those of you wanting to vote yes on the package need to look at Uniteds 1st QTR PR. More 50's to be shed you're upgrade may not be as quick as you think... Keep that in mind when you vote to basically freeze your pay the next 4 years. I don't see any growth here just a shuffling of 50's going out and replaced by fewer large RJ's.
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Old 04-23-2015, 11:05 AM
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Maintenance costs will likely continue to increase as the age of our regional jet fleet increases. The average age of our CRJ200s, ERJ145s, CRJ700s and CRJ900s is approximately 12.9 years, 12.7 years, 9.6 years and 7.1 years respectively. All of the parts on these aircraft are no longer under warranty and we have started to incur more heavy airframe inspections and engine overhauls on those aircraft. Our non-engine maintenance costs are expected to continue to increase on our CRJ200, ERJ145, CRJ700 and CRJ900 fleets. Our non-engine maintenance costs will increase significantly, both on an absolute basis and as a percentage of our operating expenses, as our fleet ages. If our maintenance costs increase at a higher rate than amounts we can recover in revenue, we will experience a negative impact on our financial results.
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CRJ2 is making money (lots of it). You don't park planes that make money unless someone wants you to fly planes that make even more money (and the E-175 is not it...yet). Why else did SkyWest just grow by 12 CRJ2s for Delta? I know, I know, every industry pundit and pilot and CEO wants to tell you the 50-seaters are gas hogs and money losers and they can't get rid of them fast enough. And yet, they are still going. If the CRJ2 is a money loser, then Air Wisconsin is going to be feeling the heat long before SkyWest will.
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Old 04-23-2015, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets View Post
I wonder what a seniority list integration would look like with a non-union entity?
I understand your inference, but the integration would be based on hire date. Any other option, (simply stapling the Skywest guys onto the bottom of Expressjet's seniority list) would not be acceptable or appropriate.

I doubt that is something YOU would advocate unless I misjudge your character.
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Old 04-23-2015, 11:10 AM
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Won't happen, so nothing to even wonder about.

It's just a fun thought exercise. It may be ugly.

But I wouldn't say it won't ever happen. Obviously, it's enough of a concern to management that they felt compelled enough to disclose that as one of their risk factors to the shareholders and securities and exchange commission on their annual report.


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I understand your inference, but the integration would be based on hire date. Any other option, (simply stapling the Skywest guys onto the bottom of Expressjet's seniority list) would not be acceptable or appropriate.

I doubt that is something YOU would advocate unless I misjudge your character.

I personally would not advocate a staple. But NOTHING WHATSOEVER requires a DOH integration or any other methodology. And just to give you an idea, this is what the VA OC is telling their pilots about this very issue:

"Q. Management has told us that they believe that we as Virgin America Pilots will receive comprehensive protection in a merger, purchase, acquisition, or other transaction. Is that accurate?


A. Simply put, we can’t count on getting the merger representation we need if we don’t have a collective bargaining representative. Right now we’re dependent on what the company decides it wants to do when a transaction happens. Right now we are at-will employees who have no assurances or guarantees granting us any scope clause protection or rights in the event of a merger, other than an email we received from management granting us some funds to hire an attorney to fend for ourselves. This grant could be taken away at any time. It’s no surprise that this was one of your top concerns when the VX organizing committee conducted its polling in January and February.

The bottom line is this: Merger and related protection remains uncertain unless it is part of an enforceable CBA negotiated under the RLA.

Remember that if there is an acquisition, Virgin America will disappear, and senior managers will get severance bonuses and leave or be working for the new company (with no incentive to fight for your rights). Depending on how it is structured, a transaction may not even meet the requirement that triggers the process set up in the McCaskill-Bond law.

Real merger protection includes provisions typically found in ALPA CBAs that bind the successor to the pilot's employment terms. If another carrier whose pilots have a CBA acquires Virgin America, and we are unrepresented and without a CBA, the acquiring carrier would have no obligation to negotiate to include even our current terms and conditions into its existing CBA. But if we were covered by a CBA, then any changes in our terms and conditions of employment would have to be negotiated as part of any joint collective bargaining agreement.

With ALPA representation we can have a real voice, a CBA, and ALPA Merger Policy protection.
That means:

• Real representation and an effective voice for the pilot group in any merger, whether the merger is with an ALPA or non-ALPA pilot group;

• The right to hire professionals and lawyers that Virgin America pilots select and direct to represent our interests;

• The right to negotiate, mediate, and, if necessary, arbitrate the final list with well-known neutral arbitrators in any merger with another ALPA pilot group; and

• ALPA professionals’ support and representation in a merger with a non-ALPA carrier."
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Old 04-23-2015, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by skypilot35 View Post
I doubt that is something YOU would advocate unless I misjudge your character.
Doesn't matter what NetVets would advocate, but what would OUR options be. Right now, we don't even get a voice in the matter. We don't have anything in our "contract" that would be a guideline and we basically are just trusting that the company would do whats right.

Based on recent history, not something I have 100% confidence in. But at least I get to keep that extra $35 each paycheck.
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Old 04-23-2015, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by disillusioned View Post
Doesn't matter what NetVets would advocate, but what would OUR options be. Right now, we don't even get a voice in the matter. We don't have anything in our "contract" that would be a guideline and we basically are just trusting that the company would do whats right.

Based on recent history, not something I have 100% confidence in. But at least I get to keep that extra $35 each paycheck.
Agreed. This is the one and ONLY area where I could see having a union at a regional as beneficial.

MF:I do not believe a merger of the 2 is out of the question. A consolidation of the list, aircraft, and certificates is a cost reducer. Regionals will continue to shrink as pilots become tougher to find. There are no guarantees and no one has a crystal ball. Given the trend of current events, IMO, a merger is possible.

One or more unions representing ExpressJet employees may also assert that SkyWest Airlines' employees should be subject to ExpressJet's collective bargaining agreements.

Read more: http://www.getfilings.com/sec-filing...#ixzz3YA7TFPRk
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Old 04-23-2015, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate View Post
As long as JA and CC is at the helm, there is no way that would happen.
They may not WANT it to happen, but if correct ( or incorrect depending on your perspective) leverages were applied they would not have a choice.
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Old 04-23-2015, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate View Post
As long as JA and CC is at the helm, there is no way that would happen.
Good thing JA is only 66 years old. I'm sure we can get another 10-15 years out of him.

And CC was always a pilot advocate here at SW. Any decision he made was always proceeded by "Is this good for the pilots?" I'm sure there is no amount of money or job title out there that would be able to take him away from SW. No matter how much money would be saved by merging the two airlines, CC would never let that happen to our pilot group. [/sarcasm]

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Old 04-23-2015, 11:35 AM
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Not sure if that's sarcasm?
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