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Old 03-30-2015 | 09:39 AM
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Not to be that guy, but any recent upgrades that took the first available in MSP or ORD. Are you getting people behind you to get off reserve or do senior guys keep coming in ahead of you, pushing you down? Just trying to plan my summer. Just ORD and MSP guys only.


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Old 03-30-2015 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by flyinjgirl
I think the biggest deterrent to women pursuing commercial aviation is simply not knowing about it. Most female pilots I know, including myself, have a dad who was a pilot and got into it early. The other deterrent is the schedule, which may improve as airlines hopefully try to improve conditions to retain pilots. Having a family and being away is tough but doable. I have to give all the fathers & their families credit with the low pay and unpredictable schedules. It's a lifestyle my traditionally structured family friends balk at and discourage me from pursuing. It's a different kind of life for sure.


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So? Why is homesteading-friendly work schedules a bona fide concern/demand when coming from a working woman but not when coming from working men? If women value the home life and desire to have children and thus demand the job accomodates these priorities, which further drives them to not desire a traveling job like that of the airline pilot, then why the hell is it not the purview of men to demand it too? Talk about irony, for a female to be the one pushing the patriarchal agenda to her comfort and convenience.

What if I want to be Mr. Mommy and let the weef bust her rear with the crappy schedule and the 30K/yr job while I endure the supposed martyrdom of giving up "my career potential" in order to cover the domestics from the comfort of home? Yeah, we all know how that conversation goes amongst marriages and relationships all over this Country. Sister please.

I've taken my sister flying, my mother, my wife, all my exgirlfriends. They don't care much for it. None of them have expressed interest in pursuing it. I have female pilot friends. Great people, but they're social pariahs amongst their larger female peer group and constantly bemoan their dating lot in life. Most throttle back or give up the professional flying pursuit in their 30s, citing a shift in priorities. Color me surprised.

And here's the thing. There's plenty of beta males around willing to be Mr. Mommy for them while they go fly the skies and be gone from home.... But they don't want that. They want the socially established, high earner (on-parity earner at a minimum) great catch guy her nurse/teacher/SAHM/9-5worker sister has for a husband. That's the rub. But nobody can't fix that for female pilots. They have to own their choices just like everybody else does. That's not something requiring affirmative action however. Stop labeling it a problem.
Old 03-30-2015 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiten
Whoa. So women may not be interested in aviation because women as a whole generally aren't, but socioeconomic conditions may be the reason minorities aren't interested in aviation? My BS detector is going off. Aviation careers are a lot harder for women to hold due to our patriarchal society, which is another huge holdup for recruiting women into this field. Who wants to invest the time and money into this career when you are floating the idea of having a family?

What if minorities just aren't interested because they are interested in other things as a whole, as women are? Or what if a poor white male really wants to be a pilot, but for the same socio-economic reasons he can't. So the poor black/purple/orange kid gets financial help and becomes a pilot but the poor white kid can't fulfill his dream? That insane argument is the root of a lot of the modern racism, which in 2015 should be gone from civilized societies. But the discrimination against the white male by modern day America sets us back several decades.

I agree with everything else you said, I just don't think anyone should get anything free/subsidized in this country based on skin color or gender. That form of discrimination breeds contempt and causes more problems than it solves IMO.
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Old 03-30-2015 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by hindsight2020

I've taken my sister flying, my mother, my wife, all my exgirlfriends.
This will soon be ex wives.
Old 03-30-2015 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
And why exactly are you on our boards? You're information is dated and not a reflection of life at Skywest therefor your ill equipped to lend advice. Skywest continues to gain flying, 12 200s from delta, flying with Alaskan and continued growth on the 175...how did the union work out for comair...envoy....pinnacle...expressjet next? Yet the un-unionized regional stands strong all these years...alpa represents mainline.

How do you think any of those places would've been without a union? Do you think that they would've been treated better by the likes of JO, JA, or delta management? You guys get the average of what everyone else negotiates. You coat tail off of everyone else when you could be contributing a lot more. Hell, you guys don't even get enough right now as it is with the threat that you will unionize. Fact is that your EFB notification policy is just one example of dozens of what happens at a non-union airline. You just take it and smile. But I'm sure you will have no problem going to any unionized legacy, cargo, or LCC.
Old 03-30-2015 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
How do you think any of those places would've been without a union? Do you think that they would've been treated better by the likes of JO, JA, or delta management? You guys get the average of what everyone else negotiates. You coat tail off of everyone else when you could be contributing a lot more. Hell, you guys don't even get enough right now as it is with the threat that you will unionize. Fact is that your EFB notification policy is just one example of dozens of what happens at a non-union airline. You just take it and smile. But I'm sure you will have no problem going to any unionized legacy, cargo, or LCC.
Well Im pretty sure 2 out of 3 are on their way out which makes your argument null and void. You mean going to a legacy where the union is actually effective and working for you rather than against you? Yes I think everyone is happy paying money for something that has a return. Didn't express jet just sign a EFB revision that mirrors ours?
Old 03-30-2015 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by flyinjgirl
I think the biggest deterrent to women pursuing commercial aviation is simply not knowing about it. Most female pilots I know, including myself, have a dad who was a pilot and got into it early. The other deterrent is the schedule, which may improve as airlines hopefully try to improve conditions to retain pilots. Having a family and being away is tough but doable. I have to give all the fathers & their families credit with the low pay and unpredictable schedules. It's a lifestyle my traditionally structured family friends balk at and discourage me from pursuing. It's a different kind of life for sure.


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I agree with this.

Today I sat beside a girl on a deadhead flight and she asked me why she never saw female pilots. "General lack of interest" were exactly the words I was looking for.
Old 03-30-2015 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by saxman66
Not to be that guy, but any recent upgrades that took the first available in MSP or ORD. Are you getting people behind you to get off reserve or do senior guys keep coming in ahead of you, pushing you down? Just trying to plan my summer. Just ORD and MSP guys only.


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You're not that guy, you're more on track than anyone else.

All the junior CAs I know are getting off reserve quite quickly in MSP and ORD. A few months or less.
Old 03-30-2015 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck

All the junior CAs I know are getting off reserve quite quickly in MSP and ORD. A few months or less.
I just flew with a junior CA (upgraded Jan 2015) who spent precisely one month in MSP and is now SFO based.

On a separate topic, I just got my first 5-day OBR assignment At least it's in PSP and there's 3 days of flying in the middle. So I can sit reserve by the Renaissance pool.

Although I can't figure it out...SFO is way short on reserves and PSP looks to be almost at its reserve staffing target level. Yet they send me from SFO to sit reserve in PSP? Huh? I'm sure it makes sense to someone somewhere...

And they initially scheduled me to return to my base late at night on Day 5. I saw that this conflicted with policy (they have to get you back no later than 2 hours later than the end of your originally scheduled RAP.) I called CS with the policy verbiage in hand, and fortunately they did not put up a fight and gave me an earlier flight back.

Still, I am utterly mystified why taking a reserve out of a desperately-understaffed base and sending that person (me) to a base with sufficient reserve staffing is a smart use of resources...
Old 03-30-2015 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kfahmi
I just flew with a junior CA (upgraded Jan 2015) who spent precisely one month in MSP and is now SFO based.

On a separate topic, I just got my first 5-day OBR assignment At least it's in PSP and there's 3 days of flying in the middle. So I can sit reserve by the Renaissance pool.

Although I can't figure it out...SFO is way short on reserves and PSP looks to be almost at its reserve staffing target level. Yet they send me from SFO to sit reserve in PSP? Huh? I'm sure it makes sense to someone somewhere...

And they initially scheduled me to return to my base late at night on Day 5. I saw that this conflicted with policy (they have to get you back no later than 2 hours later than the end of your originally scheduled RAP.) I called CS with the policy verbiage in hand, and fortunately they did not put up a fight and gave me an earlier flight back.

Still, I am utterly mystified why taking a reserve out of a desperately-understaffed base and sending that person (me) to a base with sufficient reserve staffing is a smart use of resources...
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