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#9711
New Hire
Joined: Mar 2015
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Look at the backlog of grievances at union regionals, how are those usually resolved? "Ok we won't do that again..." Look at how corrupt Eagles Union is, charging alcohol by the thousands of dollars. People aren't unionized at Skywest not because they care about 2% due payments (well some do I'm sure) or because they love SAPA, it's because they've seen the ineffectiveness of unions at the regional level, for example, eagle, com air, pinnacle...where were the unions when things went south? A union that represents both mainline and regional cannot in fairness equally support both pilot groups, since the goal of mainline pilots is their QOL and returning their flying or protecting their current flying, which of course has a direct impact on a regional Pilots QOL.
Unions are effective when there is transparency, leverage and unity, none of which are on offer at current unions. A Regionals livelihood is based on flexibility, because if you can't give a partner what they want, they will most certainly get it somewhere else. Think pilot shortage is a problem? Show someone a quick upgrade and they will trip do whatever it takes to get into that position, PSA and Compass aren't having trouble staffing because they got an abundance of new flying and this will continue, it's continouis cycle of flying being moved around from one regional to another.
My point is, get your time and get out if you can, no regional is ever safe.
Unions are effective when there is transparency, leverage and unity, none of which are on offer at current unions. A Regionals livelihood is based on flexibility, because if you can't give a partner what they want, they will most certainly get it somewhere else. Think pilot shortage is a problem? Show someone a quick upgrade and they will trip do whatever it takes to get into that position, PSA and Compass aren't having trouble staffing because they got an abundance of new flying and this will continue, it's continouis cycle of flying being moved around from one regional to another.
My point is, get your time and get out if you can, no regional is ever safe.
It is directly your fault if you choose to work at skywest.
#9712
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2013
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What about those awesome Mesa and PSA ALPA pilot groups? ELOHEL.
#9713
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 251
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From: e145 fo
I understand your frustration, but a lot of those issues are directly caused by Skywest pilots and their refusal to be unionized. If we were all unionized, then we could work together to help make things better. As long as skywest pilots group is out there, it prevents all of the regionals from getting their own union.
It is directly your fault if you choose to work at skywest.
It is directly your fault if you choose to work at skywest.
#9714
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,906
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From: B767
I understand your frustration, but a lot of those issues are directly caused by Skywest pilots and their refusal to be unionized. If we were all unionized, then we could work together to help make things better. As long as skywest pilots group is out there, it prevents all of the regionals from getting their own union.
It is directly your fault if you choose to work at skywest.
It is directly your fault if you choose to work at skywest.
BTW, I've walked strike lines. Anybody that compares that situation to working at Skywest is incredibly clueless and is clearly VERY inexperienced in this industry. The more you talk, the more it shows. I'm thinking you're still living in Mom's basement...
#9715
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 146
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I understand your frustration, but a lot of those issues are directly caused by Skywest pilots and their refusal to be unionized. If we were all unionized, then we could work together to help make things better. As long as skywest pilots group is out there, it prevents all of the regionals from getting their own union.
It is directly your fault if you choose to work at skywest.
It is directly your fault if you choose to work at skywest.
I am not a SkyWest cheerleader, and if SkyWest closed up shop tomorrow, there'd be a little twinkle in my eye knowing all the senior losers I've flown with don't have a job anymore. And they'd have nobody to blame but themselves, I'd love for them to face that reality. But, you're really reaching with your assumptions.
I'd say you're onto something, except PSA, MESA, Piedmont, all unionized carriers selling their souls for flying. How's the union thing working out for Endeavor/Envoy pilots? No union is going keep their flying if The Boss says they can't.
#9716
I am just here to remind you that people hate skywest pilots, and we enjoy the fact that not unionizing is coming back to bite you in the butt. You all laughed at it and thought you were superior, but in the end you are quickly becoming the ultimate bottom feeder airline. That's all.
As a pro-union OO guy I gotta say you couldn't be more mis-guided. But that's ok, the internet is full of tough guys who can't be bothered with rational thought.
#9717
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,544
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From: 175 CA
I understand your frustration, but a lot of those issues are directly caused by Skywest pilots and their refusal to be unionized. If we were all unionized, then we could work together to help make things better. As long as skywest pilots group is out there, it prevents all of the regionals from getting their own union.
It is directly your fault if you choose to work at skywest.
It is directly your fault if you choose to work at skywest.
IF we had a regional union, with every regional on board, then yes I believe we could tell mainline to pound sand, and they would most likely implement some form of B-scale and take their flying back (probably good for all of us if we ALL get hired), in my opinion that will never happen.
You can't have an effective union without unity, and you will never get that at the regional level unless we are all lifers, because everyone wants to climb over everyone else to get their time and move on. Mainline pilots and their representatives don't care about what happens to a regional pilots QOL, they care about whats happening to their flying which relates to their QOL. We are all in this for ourselves and our families, is that selfish? I don't think so.
Get your time and get out if you can, for this is a continuous downward spiral at the regional level that happens to some of the best regionals aka Comair and Eagle. (The real Eagle...whos brand they created was robbed from them in more ways than one).
#9718
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Let me remind you all again. DO NOT USE THE WORD "SCAB" IN ANY CONTEXT WHERE THERE IS NO STRIKE OR THERE HAS NOT BEEN A STRIKE.
If you feel someone is a troll or flamebaiting or spamming or scamming or jiving or whatever, report the user and don't keep answering him/her. That's like spraying avgas into a raging house fire. It doesn't work and only makes things worse.
#9719
BTW,
As far as line crossers, not one SKYW pilot has EVER crossed a picket line, and how many ALPA crossers are there?
Last edited by ClickClickBoom; 03-23-2015 at 10:28 AM.
#9720
Go away troll.
I am not a SkyWest cheerleader, and if SkyWest closed up shop tomorrow, there'd be a little twinkle in my eye knowing all the senior losers I've flown with don't have a job anymore. And they'd have nobody to blame but themselves, I'd love for them to face that reality.
I am not a SkyWest cheerleader, and if SkyWest closed up shop tomorrow, there'd be a little twinkle in my eye knowing all the senior losers I've flown with don't have a job anymore. And they'd have nobody to blame but themselves, I'd love for them to face that reality.
You are a different type of "s" word. There are plenty of guys still here who put targets on their backs and tried the heavy lift, only to fail because weak Nancys like you were too worried to rock the boat. The real loser here is anyone who would wish/twinkle in their tater at the thought of another person losing their job. You are the stuff that people try to scrape off their shoe after going to the dog park.
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