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Old 04-17-2015, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate View Post
This is complete BS. Unions have plenty of power on how businesses make decisions. Face it, unions are nothing short of a group of extortionists.
Plenty of power? No. If that was the case, Skywest would be worse than great lakes in terms of pay, work rules, insurance, and retirement. And all the other regionals would be better than what Comair had after their strike. Like I said, a pilot union has some leverage in the fact that generally management cant just impose concessions, efb reflow policy, or remove, edit, reinterpret a policy when it no longer suits them. And even then, at places that have adversarial CEOs (JO at Mesa for example), they do it anyway and make the union go to the trouble to send it to a neutral third party for an arbitration. Although skywest pilots dont even have that choice. Anyway, with mass and serial bankruptcies and delay tactics, its management that generally does everything they can to not comply with the contract they agreed and signed. So who is extorting who? And that's fine because that's what they are supposed to do because management has fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders and NO ONE ELSE. But if you don't have an advocate on your behalf looking out for your best interest, then its like taking candy from a baby.

Originally Posted by Is offline View Post
There are a lot of Skywest pilots that would go for a union, but when they get on here and see post by people like nevets bashing us for riding their coattails. Post like that help nothing or no one. There is a lot of Skywest work rules that xjt would love to have, and there could be improvements.
If you are using my posts as an excuse of why skywest pilots dont go union, then you are giving me way too much credit. In reality, its just an excuse of why you don't go union. If you guys want to go union, its not going to matter what I or anyone else writes on these forums.

By the way, this is a sincere question because I know you have a couple of good work rules but other than your min day credits, reserve minimum monthly guarantee, and uniform reimbursement, what other work rules do you think xjt pilots would love?
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Old 04-17-2015, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate View Post
Oh give me a break...you think the pilot group gives a rats rectum about other groups within SkyWest? Come on pal, you don't really believe that do you?
I'm not saying we care about the other groups. I'm saying a lot of what we don't get is because the company wants to give it to all the groups.

We need that separation
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Old 04-17-2015, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyinRabbit88 View Post
Would love to know the numbers of those participating in the 401k that are not pilots.
Easy bud, our 401K is out of the employee manual. EVERY EMPLOYEE IS THE SAME

I'd post the doc but that's company data. SWOL > Info Center > Documents > Manuals > Company Tab > Company Policy Manual > SP100
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Old 04-17-2015, 04:05 PM
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Hey guys, I have an interview coming up in a few days anyone have any last minute advice?
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Old 04-17-2015, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pistonpilot17 View Post
Hey guys, I have an interview coming up in a few days anyone have any last minute advice?
Yep try to relax. If they invited you for the interview the job is yours to loose. They want to hire everyone they invite.
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Old 04-17-2015, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by disillusioned View Post
You do realize that he was talking about how we are tied with pay and benefits to the other employee groups right? If we want a higher per diem, we can't get it because the flight attendants would get it. If we want higher 401k, we can't get it because all employees would get the higher 401k. If we had a union, we could ask for this and be separated from the other employee groups. Pilots don't care what other workgroups get, but we are tied to them for everything we ask for.
I hated belonging to ALPA before, but I totally see this point. We are not any better than any other employee, but any other employee did not sacrifice to get their job the way pilots do and doesn't come close to going through the training we do.
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Old 04-17-2015, 06:15 PM
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Relax, be yourself, and study up on the gouge. They'll tell you that the interview means you're already hired, and that the job is yours to lose. I believe that to be true. What they're mostly looking for is someone they can spend 4 days in the cockpit with. Have fun!!
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Old 04-17-2015, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pistonpilot17 View Post
Hey guys, I have an interview coming up in a few days anyone have any last minute advice?
The gouge online is spot-on. Are you interviewing in Denver or Salt Lake or elsewhere?
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Old 04-17-2015, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal View Post
I have no idea why skywest pilots are so anti union.


Unions have done some wonderful thing for many pilot groups.

We're about to have EFBs given to us with mandatory notification and we have ZERO say about it. Is that cool to you guys?

The company has only played nice in the past because it was a significantly smaller company in a very good financial place.

Now it's a giant company that owns other companies and is only worried about the bottom line.

We as pilots need protection from the company, but also more importantly, from other workers within skywest. We need the union so the company can blame the union when we get a new pay package and other workers don't. When we get better insurance than other workers, or better 401k matching, or better FMLA, or better vacation accrual, or better moving expense reimbursement.

You name it, and it could be improved and the company just has to "blame the union" to other workers and that's fine. Right now we can't really get anything much better than other skywest employees.

Not saying we are better than other employees or more important, but giving rampers the same 401k match as pilots is a little crazy. Or in this case, giving us the same as them because our 401k match is nothing great.




Anyway, I am absolutely pro union, as to whether or not it would improve things, y'all can discuss. Until the senior guys start getting more and more screwed a union drive wouldn't work here, but that might be closer than we think





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Old 04-18-2015, 04:43 AM
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Interview is in Denver, Very excited and have already started studying the gouges hopefully it goes well!
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