Nevets

Like I already said, the same benefits that Inc touted when they bought xjt would apply in greater degree if they merged everything. You might be able to make a case why YOU don't want that but that's not what we are taking about here. We are talking about corporate culture, not pilot politics. It's the corporate culture that our CEO creates by putting his own employees to compete against each other rather than work together to compete as one, against other regionals. It's what he does to us instead of with us. He rather set up a system that suppresses our wages and you refuse to acknowledge that culture for some strange reason.

As for 10 days off and average line value, that was just two examples. What about the 38% you pay for insurance or the whole discussion on this thread about being reflowed? Again, just another two examples out of many. But I guess ignorance is bliss.

Squallrider

Let's get to the heart of the matter, you need us, we don't need you. Anyone can see expressjet is winding down, your fleet is not desired by mainline. You have the most to gain (as in having a job and maintaining seniority) being part of us, but we have nothing to gain from having you on our list. That's really why you want us to be union because then you could actually merge with us. I know you're going to spin it that managment makes you look unprofitable (of course that's what every manager ever wants *rolls eyes*) but your contract and operation are being subsidized by Skywest side, I think you should think about your ignorance.

Squallrider

Yet most people are happy....our comp is average at worst so we aren't bringing the industry down. You can hold onto your superior contract till the doors close and hopefully for you your Union pulls through for you, I'm sure they will I mean they did for comair right? I'm not saying Skywest pilots will end up taking it hard and lower the bar but we are sustainable, there will be a company here for people to come to and get their time and the lifers to have a place to end their careers. Expressjet has failed to adapt to the items, should we all get paid more? Absolutely, but that can't be done the way the regional system is designed. Expressjet and Skywest can't fight all the other regionals, it would just delay the inevitable till both companies are gone. The only way compensation would increase is one list for all regionals with everyone in the same Union, and even then it won't make sense for mainline to outsource anymore and they will take back their flying and the regionals will cease to exist.

Is offline

When was the last time Expressjet made a profit? People like you are half the reason OO won't go Union. I'm all for getting paid more but if you think a union will fix the problem you are crazy.
The problem is way bigger than Skywest and ExpressJet.

ClickClickBoom

Before you talk about sucking, can't you remember the difference between 7 year old and 7th grade.

buddies8

It's simple, Skywest is an armpit equal to TSA management. Oh and Skywest will be coming after SKW crew pay by end of year. Enjoy the sapa bends.

Caution Terrain

Man, well done gang.

Paid2fly

What base are you in? Haven't had 16 days off with over 90 credit in a long time!

Nevets

That is a straw man argument. I've already pointed out that this is not about anything other than the corporate culture of Inc. I've known since our MEC rolled over on our scope that we would never see a merger of all operations and that that inevitably means the eventual end of xjt, as we knew it. Again, what I'm talking about here has nothing to do with that. I'm simply talking about the corporate culture that lead to this situation to begin with.

Also, this is a different conversation than the union topic. But just to clarify something, IF you were to go union, it does NOT mean there will be a merger. PSA, PDT, and Envoy are all union and separate as well as TSA, Gojet, and compass. So you are mistaken if you think going union means merger.


The Skywest Inc annual report admits that you get what others negotiate. So you may not be a bottom feeder but that's because you get the average of what others actually negotiate. In other words, instead of helping, you are a drag.

By the way, I would love for mainline pilots to take back their flying and temporarily put me out of a job!


The continental express operation was profitable until Skywest whipsawed us against their pilots. The union thing is so that you can join the table and start helping. Nothing more and nothing less.

WesternSkies

Pilot pay in relation to profit is a very tiny slice of the pie. Skywest pay and ExpressJet pay is very similar, so that is obviously not it.

ExpressJet was making a profit until the company reduced its operating costs? I'm not the best at math but huh?