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03-20-2015 | 08:28 PM
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SAPA is the horse's mouth? Some folks say their leadership is in the company's pocket and I'm not sure what to think at this point.
But if we can be notified by EFB, then they will doubtless issue a memo requiring that they be synched to the grid during each turn. The technical details are just that, mere details. The only way to be safe from the EFB is to have policy language that it's not a notification tool.
But if we can be notified by EFB, then they will doubtless issue a memo requiring that they be synched to the grid during each turn. The technical details are just that, mere details. The only way to be safe from the EFB is to have policy language that it's not a notification tool.
At first this seems ludicrous but at the end of the day, this is where the pro Union guys like Nevets et al are right...Sapa has no leverage. The company can do pretty much as they please. And while there may be some (or a lot) of ball twisting done by the company with Sapa, this is something I actually believe when I hear them say "what can we do"
03-20-2015 | 09:06 PM
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I completely agree. And I spoke with RJ about that but as I understand it sapas position is essentially "the company is going to get what they want one way or another and we might as well try and get something for it."
At first this seems ludicrous but at the end of the day, this is where the pro Union guys like Nevets et al are right...Sapa has no leverage. The company can do pretty much as they please. And while there may be some (or a lot) of ball twisting done by the company with Sapa, this is something I actually believe when I hear them say "what can we do"
At first this seems ludicrous but at the end of the day, this is where the pro Union guys like Nevets et al are right...Sapa has no leverage. The company can do pretty much as they please. And while there may be some (or a lot) of ball twisting done by the company with Sapa, this is something I actually believe when I hear them say "what can we do"
03-21-2015 | 04:10 AM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Exactly!! The whole reason for SAPA is to give us the illusion that we have a say. If SAPA would just stand up and tell the company to pound sand, then they would have to force something on us and show their hand. Same as the E175 rate. They already had the contracts and knew what they were going to pay us. There was no negotiation. Instead, we gave up training seat locks and the ability to jumpseat and took whatever rate they had in mind. Until our pilot group understands what unity will bring us, we will just keep replaying this Groundhog day.
Instead of having the illusion of a say, why don't you guys unify and actually get a say and not have to replay Groundhog Day? What am I missing?
03-21-2015 | 06:12 AM
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From: CRJ Captain
03-21-2015 | 06:33 AM
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The last few times we had a vote the economics were totally different. The "don't rock the boat" camp has seen the light. This is the best time in the last 15!years to have this vote.
03-21-2015 | 10:14 AM
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From: Another RJ FO
The way things are moving everywhere right now hardly anything is really senior for FOs. There are <1 year pilots everywhere except PDX, PHX and PSP
03-21-2015 | 10:17 AM
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From: Another RJ FO
I actually think now is a worse time for it than it has been in the past due to the high turnover. When everything was stagnated the people who were really pro-union were forced to stick around and fight for it. Today they're all either gone already or well on their way to leaving.
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