Nevets

Yes but we all know it's not just the rates. We have superior work rules in almost all aspects of your work rules including better 401k matching, a company contribution on top of that, better insurance cost sharing, and better insurance overall. The arbitrator looked at all rates and work rules and made his determination that we only needed $2 more per hour to be in the average with everyone else.

This is what I've been advocating for YEARS! It's not just pay rates. Those are just multiplier of the work rules. That's why I continue to post our work rules so that people have a reference to compare to. And there are places like awac and horizon who arguably have better contract rules than we do.

I'll happy post the work rules here for comparison.

Nevets

Just to add to that, I was at the MEC meeting when JA told us they wanted us to take a 16% concession just to bring us to parity with Skywest pilots. Those where his words, not mine.

skypilot35

$11 more an hour is $11,000 a year based on the 1000 hours almost every pilot will assuredly hit. That's not with any consideration of credit or soft time. The "other" things you mentioned would have to be significant.

Nevets

They are significant. We are talking about more than $11k difference here. Hence, JA's 16% request.

skypilot35

I know

skypilot35

So what you are saying is XJT is more expensive than OO in every way. That's not necessarily a great position to be in.

Nevets

I'll give you this, you guys are very efficient for the company.

skypilot35

Understood, but the hourly compensation is o.k. The company is o.k. The QOL is in decline. I am wiling to bet if another package came out that had only QOL improvements it would pass.

Nevets

Let me go back and retract something I said for clarification purposes. The 175 rate we got coupled with our work rules is average with the entire industry. So your rates with your work rules are better, assuming that it's above the average. So it is a competitive compensation package for the pilots yet we don't get the aircraft. And supposedly from some SGU guy, it was because xjt doesn't have a rate in place. So it only further proves my point that he was either lying or ignorant. Both sides have competitive 175 rates in existence.

skypilot35

After reading your posts regarding XJT's pilot contract, I've no doubt your contract is much better and it still falls short of the compensation any airline pilot deserves. I have not nor will I ever debate that point with you.

However, being the most expensive regional is not a good position. As long as the whipsaw continues you will be outmaneuvered by management. I'm not referring to Skywest management either. The ONLY way this side of the industry ever gets better is if we are ONE voice. With wholly owned pilot groups that will never happen. Your union has done a tremendous job of negotiating one of the best pilot contracts in the industry, but there is absolutely nothing it can do to ensure XJT is awarded feed for the majors except capitulate and take concessions. I do not believe that will ever happen.

I guess every regional could vote in a contract that mirrors XJT's and then compete for bids based on performance, but that will not happen either.

This industry was never intended to be a career. The regionals (commuters) were supposed to be a stepping stone. I think the relaxation of scope opened Pandora's Box and the big boy management don't want it to close. I have said and will continue to say it. A UNION DOES NOT HAVE ANY POWER AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL.....at least when it comes to getting contracts awarded.