Originally Posted by HermannGraf

I am sorry the guys at Envoy that are fighting not only for themselves but for all pilots at the Regional level are seeing the flying go away to other places. Some pilots can say that we as pilots have nothing to do with it and that it is only management that is to blame but I see this flying coming to us as a clear result of our pilot group voting yes for our concessionary pay package that gave our management the opportunity to be even cheaper. Our vote result was wrong when others are fighting for us. The pilot group was told from different sources that we did not have any leverage and immediately after the vote media was full of our leverage. It is sad that we as a pilot group did not understand the situation better and that we did not stand stronger but it is done and we should learn from it. Negotiations are about to start again and this time we should stand firm and demand what we have lost in years. There will be plenty of flying around as every Regional will have a hard time finding pilots and attrition is killing them.
To the Envoy guys, I am sorry.

Originally Posted by Bzzt

I'm surprised the majors have made Skywest such a huge part of their feed. Exposes them to a ton of risk if Skywest ever has staffing problems.

Originally Posted by HermannGraf

I am sorry the guys at Envoy that are fighting not only for themselves but for all pilots at the Regional level are seeing the flying go away to other places. Some pilots can say that we as pilots have nothing to do with it and that it is only management that is to blame but I see this flying coming to us as a clear result of our pilot group voting yes for our concessionary pay package that gave our management the opportunity to be even cheaper. Our vote result was wrong when others are fighting for us. The pilot group was told from different sources that we did not have any leverage and immediately after the vote media was full of our leverage. It is sad that we as a pilot group did not understand the situation better and that we did not stand stronger but it is done and we should learn from it. Negotiations are about to start again and this time we should stand firm and demand what we have lost in years. There will be plenty of flying around as every Regional will have a hard time finding pilots and attrition is killing them.
To the Envoy guys, I am sorry.

Originally Posted by NVUS

To be completely thorough, SkyWest Airlines currently does 1,018 average daily departures for United, 491 for Delta, 89 for US Airways, 87 for American and 29 for Alaska. Exact numbers are unavailable for ExpressJet but if I had to guess...

SkyWest, Inc. - 2,100 United, 1,500 Delta, 160 American, 89 US Airways and 29 Alaska.

I don't believe Envoy has much to worry about at this point.

Originally Posted by JustAMushroom

Oh give it a rest. I was a no vote and even I say that it wasn't really a concession. It wasn't a large pay increase, which is what we should have had. But to apologize to envoy for what? For putting a hand full if plane in a base for AA? Eagle held strong, good for them. When we get to vote again we should not take anything less than a 10% raise either. But I'm not going to apologize for doing well and succeeding.

Originally Posted by Stinsat7

Herman what exactly are you sorry about? At no point in the process of Envoy or ouselves at Skywest voting on TA's did we ever make less or undercut them in any way. We got a whopping 4 AC, if we get an actual RFP are you going to commit sepuku in protest?





BTW I voted no.

Originally Posted by JustAMushroom

Oh give it a rest. I was a no vote and even I say that it wasn't really a concession. It wasn't a large pay increase, which is what we should have had. But to apologize to envoy for what? For putting a hand full if plane in a base for AA? Eagle held strong, good for them. When we get to vote again we should not take anything less than a 10% raise either. But I'm not going to apologize for doing well and succeeding.

Originally Posted by HermannGraf

Get of the Mushroom, lol
I was a no vote because I understand the numbers and the numbers told me we did not in any way get a raise. Why did you vote no? Pay increase, C'mon, what pay increase? We took concessions, Do you mean that the pay raise was the "make you believe we giving you something" medical pay and more for the uniform and 3 minutes more while they raise the reserve to 76, did not re-negotiate the 1% cola and are paying the raise for the bro with savings in training due to new seat locks?


The company saved money on this last package. 1% cola that was not re-negotiated for the pilot group would have cost the company more than the symbolic bs we got.

The company played the game well outsmarted the pilot group and used SAPA as help.......