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#3241
Meanwhile a newhire at southwest has 15 days off MINIMUM.
again, stop apologizing for the company.
again, stop apologizing for the company.
#3242
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2011
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From: 737 FO
As a 50% FO I can say I've been getting F'ed by PBS. I bid pretty loosely and request just a specific days off and open it to absolutely everything. I can have layer 4 at 70% of the pairing and it will still drop down to PN'd trips because of BS line constraints. When I was at the bottom of guaranteed line holders I was able to get all my days off I requested. It's the middle of the pack that gets boned due to "coverage dates" PBS determines I have to fly. I needed literally just that one stretch of days 3-4 off and it gives me a PN'd trip over those days but a random 5 day block off on a totally different week that I don't even want.
I voted Yes, in hopes that it can fix this stupid "line constraint" issue. I'm not saying it will be rainbows and puppies but it certainly can't get any worse then what it is now. And if you vote "no" because you think you have PBS figured out perfectly, I guarantee you are in for a rude awakening at some point
I voted Yes, in hopes that it can fix this stupid "line constraint" issue. I'm not saying it will be rainbows and puppies but it certainly can't get any worse then what it is now. And if you vote "no" because you think you have PBS figured out perfectly, I guarantee you are in for a rude awakening at some point
#3243
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2014
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My experience has been different. I've been bidding middle of the pack since PBS started a decade ago. I typically get good lines. I've only had a CN once maybe 6 years or so ago, and only 2-3 PN trips as well. The last one 5+ years ago.
Now when I say a good line. I mean good for 40-50%. I sometimes think expectations are out of line with bidding % for some pilots. I don't expect weekends off if I bid certain types of pairings.... I can get the holidays off though, but will have to work the weekend after Thanksgiving, etc..
I know for certain that some of the pilots that complain do not know how to bid. Most of the problems can be narrowed down to bidding errors. --- And if it says the average line value is 87 don't expect to get 75 if you're not bidding in the top 20-30%. You probably shouldn't expect that nice of a line if you are not bidding in the top 20-30% as well.
Replaced due to line constraints. Did it take a lower paying pairing that might have been a good one and give you a higher paying less desirable to you 2,3, or 4 day, and then give your pairing to someone junior. Look to the line values and minimum credit you need and you'll have your answer.
Now when I say a good line. I mean good for 40-50%. I sometimes think expectations are out of line with bidding % for some pilots. I don't expect weekends off if I bid certain types of pairings.... I can get the holidays off though, but will have to work the weekend after Thanksgiving, etc..
I know for certain that some of the pilots that complain do not know how to bid. Most of the problems can be narrowed down to bidding errors. --- And if it says the average line value is 87 don't expect to get 75 if you're not bidding in the top 20-30%. You probably shouldn't expect that nice of a line if you are not bidding in the top 20-30% as well.
Replaced due to line constraints. Did it take a lower paying pairing that might have been a good one and give you a higher paying less desirable to you 2,3, or 4 day, and then give your pairing to someone junior. Look to the line values and minimum credit you need and you'll have your answer.
Had I been able to get a good schedule or drop a trip here or there, I may have stuck around just to enjoy my kids as they are growing up. As it stands now, I expect to commute back east and still figure I'll have just as many days off as a junior reserve as I did with SW after 9 years. Plus there will be some hope of it getting better vs the realization that it will never get better.
#3244
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Joined: Jul 2013
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From: 175 CA
Chief pilot itself is many years, same for assistant chief etc, flight operations supervisors just hired in Chicago are senior and experienced captains (have to act as chief pilot so makes sense). Recruitment last year supposedly had 700 apps and took 30. Best option starting out is being involved in forums and getting Sapa rep in my opinion, that could lead to more company related things. Another option is FO instructor, but that only helps if you don't need flight hours.
#3245
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Joined: Jul 2008
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Best way to those routes is get involved in training. They hire FO's to teach ground school. From there you can do FTD, Matrix, then Upgrade. They will make you a LCA (line check airman). Maybe get a Domicile sup job, then work up to other flight ops postions. Or move over to SCA (sim check airman). Lots of opertunites if you live in SLC or Denver and get involed. Volunteer for acting in videos ect..
#3246
Don't volunteer. If someone should and could be paid for the job, do not volunteer. This isn't a charity. It's a multi million dollar airline business.
#3249
I dunno about that. MH (LAX/FAT CP, everyone's favorite pilot) spent what, four months as a CA before being named ACP?
Also for CP/ACP it helps to have:
• No sense of empathy or compassion
• A stick jammed extremely far up your six
• A nice shiny hat, plus the gall to call out other pilots for not wearing the (not required) hat
• A startling lack of actual airmanship (speed limits below 10,000 feet? If you're a CP, they don't exist. 300 KIAS is just fine. Oh, and when your FO gently reminds you that you're about to inadvertently take off unpressurized because you shut down the APU on a 100-degree day in PHX in a fully-loaded CRJ-200 just to save the company money, but forgot to swap the bleeds to the engines...be sure to blame the ground controller for talking too much and distracting you. Do this, and you're perfect ACP/CP material.)
• The ability to use the phrase "for the good of the company" 100 times a day, and still be able to look at yourself in the mirror
There are certainly exceptions (RG being one of them), but do a trip with such wonderful human beings as MH and you will see what I mean...
Also for CP/ACP it helps to have:
• No sense of empathy or compassion
• A stick jammed extremely far up your six
• A nice shiny hat, plus the gall to call out other pilots for not wearing the (not required) hat
• A startling lack of actual airmanship (speed limits below 10,000 feet? If you're a CP, they don't exist. 300 KIAS is just fine. Oh, and when your FO gently reminds you that you're about to inadvertently take off unpressurized because you shut down the APU on a 100-degree day in PHX in a fully-loaded CRJ-200 just to save the company money, but forgot to swap the bleeds to the engines...be sure to blame the ground controller for talking too much and distracting you. Do this, and you're perfect ACP/CP material.)
• The ability to use the phrase "for the good of the company" 100 times a day, and still be able to look at yourself in the mirror
There are certainly exceptions (RG being one of them), but do a trip with such wonderful human beings as MH and you will see what I mean...
#3250
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2013
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Maybe your description to get the job of CP/ACP applies to some...but not all. HG (the LAX ACP) has NONE of those characteristics you described.
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