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saxman66 03-15-2016 11:23 AM

So looks like they don't know if IAH will close yet, but they'll at least keep it open throughout 2016. I upgraded out of IAH. Was hoping to get it back as it's an easy commute. Guess I'll get comfy in ORD.


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clearprop 03-15-2016 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by disillusioned (Post 2089320)
I'm confused?? I thought the forums were not an official communication source for SAPA? And yet that is the way a majority of our group gets their information?

Still no meeting notes since Oct of last year, no information on policies that SAPA is voting on or considering and when someone tries to ask on the forums they are personally attacked by current SAPA members.

I'm not a black helicopter type, but it would be really nice to have some transparency on what is going on. What's the status on the pilots that were bypassed to the 175? What is being proposed by the company for the 91 flying by retired pilots and cadets that are building hours? What is being done about PBS after TC did his research? So many questions, so much silence....

Many, many, more PDX FOs and now CAs are being bypassed AGAIN for the two April classes. Sliding in those JR 175 pilots to avoid spending $$ running transition classes. Sapa is "speechless". CCB called it......good old "company need"

bender 03-16-2016 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 2089216)
Too bad the pilots have to find out via inflight chief email to flight attendants.

The pilots were sent an email from TG.

Is offline 03-16-2016 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by bender (Post 2089917)
The pilots were sent an email from TG.

I'm really surprised he didn't throw in a "we really need some reserves this weekend" at the end. I think that's the only thing I have ever heard from him.

I know 5 people that all had April class dates that are now looking elsewhere.

ClickClickBoom 03-16-2016 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Is offline (Post 2089953)

I know 5 people that all had April class dates that are now looking elsewhere.

One might think, that with the "SGU is at the center of the universe" mentality, they might be cognizant of the realities of flushing seniority down the toilet. People actually pay attention and the interwebs make it easy to look stuff up.
The irony of offering bonuses based upon type ratings and flushing seniority with the other hand and expecting no one to notice, priceless.

disillusioned 03-16-2016 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 2089974)
One might think, that with the "SGU is at the center of the universe" mentality, they might be cognizant of the realities of flushing seniority down the toilet. People actually pay attention and the interwebs make it easy to look stuff up.
The irony of offering bonuses based upon type ratings and flushing seniority with the other hand and expecting no one to notice, priceless.

Well Envoys new campaign to promote how they are hiring into the 175 shows that is one factor to consider for new hires and where they go. Even though seniority progression would be way faster on the CRJ, you have people that just want to fly the new plane. That is why the company is still hiring into the 175 and leaving the CRJ thin. Well that and the fact that we don't have anything that would stop them from blocking transitions other than a pat on the back and a promise that "We'll take care of you eventually" from management.

I've bumped up about 20 or so numbers since the first of the month and we have a bunch still out there with class dates. I'm not sure why they insist on taking those that are on the fence about leaving and giving them a big shove in the back. Those that are going to leave will still leave, but they are giving all the incentive needed to those that haven't updated their log books to get out and apply.

N1234 03-16-2016 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by Is offline (Post 2089953)
I know 5 people that all had April class dates that are now looking elsewhere.


At least they had a chance to consider their options rather than joining and then discovering that IAH is "at risk".

What I find more disturbing is that SGU was so surprised by this shift of flying in IAH. Everyone with a clear view on the UA regional model and a UA 10K in hand will figure out that there will be very few 700's left in the UA feeder fleet very soon. Probably just enough to fly ASE.

Squallrider 03-16-2016 12:37 PM

There was also a time when they said ORD would shrink to 1/3rd of its size etc etc...now its one of the biggest bases we have. Im not saying IAH isn't going to shrink or isn't going to go away, but a lot can change in a hurry...not that I would advise people to make career decisions on speculation or current bases for that matter.

Electra 03-16-2016 01:44 PM

Two years ago I captain I know with a "friend" in the UAL CP's office SWORE he'd seen the memo UAL management put out that indicated Denver was going to be shut down in a matter of months. Fast forward to today and United has suddenly woken up and decided they want to fight Southwest after years of hiding their heads in the sand while Southwest made themselves comfy in Denver. In the meantime, they're fleeing Houston because oil business is tanking. UAL management can't see more than 6 months out.

N1234 03-16-2016 02:00 PM

who says they are fleeing IAH? All they do is transition their fleet to 175 and concentrate on one operator. May not be efficient in the long run but I don't think this signals any major UA service for IAH. It will just be provided by someone else - unfortunately.


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