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rickair7777 10-12-2016 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by Randol (Post 2222095)
I read somewhere that Skywest was considering hiring part time pilots? Does anyone know if that occurred or if any other 121 programs hire part timers?

Very hard to make this work in 121. Replace one full timer with two part timers and you now have to pay for recurrent for two instead of one. And labor groups usually take a dim view.

rcfd13 10-12-2016 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by EFBprobs (Post 2222189)
Not to mention seniority here is moving at a pretty good pace, a month or two wont make too much difference.

A couple of months used to be the difference between a 13 month upgrade and an 8 year upgrade. Winter 2006 hires had quick upgrades. Most 2007 hires had to wait over 7 years to upgrade. Seven years at FO pay when you need the money is a long time.

It's good now, and it was good back then but it can change really fast.

N1234 10-13-2016 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2222630)
This idea would be great for the very senior guys who could drop down.

This is effectively what is happening today. Some of the guys in the top 20% can and are already bidding down to whatever is permissible in every base.

The proposal floated was a little more differentiated as it was supposed to create some part-time perma reserve.

The bigger issue with that is that it creates a C-scale to our already existing regional B-scale.

In addition, it would be a change to the current model and with it comes all sorts of unpredictability. Given Inc's history of exploiting loop holes nobody is willing to make a major bet on this idea that potentially serves only a small segment but could have some undetermined downside.

Regardless, I don't see part-time anywhere in the future ....

GravyRobber 10-13-2016 05:24 AM

If the ****** hits the fan in this industry, and OO needs to furlough, they will visit part-time lines before going to furloughing. Outside that, I don't see it ever happening.

rickair7777 10-13-2016 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by N1234 (Post 2222740)
This is effectively what is happening today. Some of the guys in the top 20% can and are already bidding down to whatever is permissible in every base.

Yes. But they're limited to 58 hours minimum or lose benefits. Take away the bennies and there's no limit on how low they can go (and how high the rest of us will have to go to cover for it).

This would be a QOL windfall for a select few seniors...and it's a zero-sum game.


Originally Posted by N1234 (Post 2222740)
In addition, it would be a change to the current model and with it comes all sorts of unpredictability. Given Inc's history of exploiting loop holes nobody is willing to make a major bet on this idea that potentially serves only a small segment but could have some undetermined downside.

Yup.


Originally Posted by N1234 (Post 2222740)
Regardless, I don't see part-time anywhere in the future ....

I tend to agree. Part time FA's is one thing, but if the company were to go wholesale for part-time pilots I think safety would suffer and the company knows it. There's a difference between highly trained and highly proficient professionals vs. highly trained but rusty professionals.

Turbosina 10-13-2016 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by N1234 (Post 2222740)
This is effectively what is happening today. Some of the guys in the top 20% can and are already bidding down to whatever is permissible in every base.

I dunno, from the guys I talk to, you have to be in the top 5-10% to ever have "Waive Minimum Default Credit" be awarded. I fly with a CA who bids 8% and he says he always bids that and bids a low TLCR, but almost never gets it.

I also fly with the #2 CA in base (top 3%) and he only sometimes gets it...

It's like the magical mysterious medieval griffin. It's only slightly more real than this legendary fantasy called 'Drop Trip into Open Time' that I've heard of.

rcfd13 10-13-2016 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2222976)
I dunno, from the guys I talk to, you have to be in the top 5-10% to ever have "Waive Minimum Default Credit" be awarded. I fly with a CA who bids 8% and he says he always bids that and bids a low TLCR, but almost never gets it.

I also fly with the #2 CA in base (top 3%) and he only sometimes gets it...

It's like the magical mysterious medieval griffin. It's only slightly more real than this legendary fantasy called 'Drop Trip into Open Time' that I've heard of.

Before I upgraded I got up to 8% seniority in base as an FO. In my reason report I had "WAIVE MINIMUM CANNOT BE AWARDED" every single month until I got below 10%. I had just one month bidding below 10% where it actually awarded it and that helped me work very little while I got ready for upgrade class.

I'm in a junior base and the junior bases are almost constantly understaffed so I'm sure that's part of the reason but 10% was the first time it ever allowed me to do it.

Utah 10-13-2016 03:50 PM

I've waived min hours twice this year and bid down to the low 60s. I bid near 50 percent.

rickair7777 10-13-2016 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Utah (Post 2223240)
I've waived min hours twice this year and bid down to the low 60s. I bid near 50 percent.

All depends on base, seat, equipment, and month. Not many folks can do it.

Drums4life 10-13-2016 05:40 PM

I've had it awarded at 65% before, but that was in 2013 when they also let me drop a 4 day trip over Thanksgiving. Those were the days...


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