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N1234 02-06-2017 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 2295929)
Yes I did. Type bonus, too. (Which is half of GoJet's, btw.)

Were it not for the increases in first-year pay, however, I'd likely have stayed at Mesa and upgraded last summer with the rest of my classmates.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy here, but our compensation isn't close to industry-leading.

Our hiring numbers suggest otherwise. The entire package matters and apparently it is considered competitive.

Don't get me wrong - more money is always better. But I would not consider Mesa even if they doubled their pay.

ClickClickBoom 02-06-2017 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 2295758)
No, I'm saying that pay for 2nd and subsequent years should be higher. Before the company exercised their option, the year 1 to year 2 gap was $7.71/hr. Previous to the current pay scales, that gap was about $13/hr ($24/hr vs $37.15/hr).

1st year pay has increased more than 50% in the past 18 months while subsequent years have seen token increases that haven't even kept pace with inflation.




I wasn't, but would've voted no. The raises to year 2 onward were pretty insulting, irrespective of gains elsewhere. The current package was all about the profit sharing, and magically, those profits have vanished, according to the earnings call.

Silly pilots, the standard bait and switch protocol. Trading hourly for some mythical unicorn(profit sharing). been watching this for almost forever, and pilots bite every single time, they think they are smarter than those who went before. I have in almost 2 decades, never seen pay keep pace with cost of living(at a regional), unless you are on first year pay, and that was a two time deal. The sad but true tidbit is once you are on the seniority list, they only care that you show up for your next trip. Sadly this is what will kill the company ultimately. The smart guys will do the shuffle, come to one company, take the training, then jump to the next carrier with the highest sign on bonus, after a couple of exchanges, they will go to a LLC and continue with the same behavior until they are picked up by a Legacy.
"Pilots, keeping training costs high, because management can't see the obvious, 100 years strong"

ClickClickBoom 02-06-2017 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by N1234 (Post 2295966)
Our hiring numbers suggest otherwise. The entire package matters and apparently it is considered competitive.

Don't get me wrong - more money is always better. But I would not consider Mesa even if they doubled their pay.

I have been watching and flying with new and old guys for quite awhile, I haven't had a newhire that had done anything except flight instruct for a couple of years. If you do the math, a flight instructor takes at least a year to create, and during their tenure as an instructor teach students(Duh). If you go to the average GA airport and look for an instructor, good luck finding one with more than a couple of years experience. The industry is destroying the very segment of the industry that it needs to produce the pilots it desperately needs. By the time the industry figures this out, it will be too late.

Blackwing 02-06-2017 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by N1234 (Post 2295966)
Our hiring numbers suggest otherwise. The entire package matters and apparently it is considered competitive.

I think our ability to fill classes is based on company reputation and domiciles rather than any real understanding of our compensation beyond the hourly rates posted to APC.

In the face of huge bonuses and flow-through agreements at other places, I'm honestly surprised that we're still filling classes.

N1234 02-06-2017 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 2296010)
I think our ability to fill classes is based on company reputation and domiciles rather than any real understanding of our compensation beyond the hourly rates posted to APC.

In the face of huge bonuses and flow-through agreements at other places, I'm honestly surprised that we're still filling classes.

Maybe, but it works. And that's all matters for management.

word302 02-06-2017 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 2296010)
I think our ability to fill classes is based on company reputation and domiciles rather than any real understanding of our compensation beyond the hourly rates posted to APC.

In the face of huge bonuses and flow-through agreements at other places, I'm honestly surprised that we're still filling classes.

Well Mesa and Horizon are still able to hire people. Clearly there is something we all don't know.

prc4prc 02-06-2017 01:34 PM

Taxes

I've had my accountant doing my taxes for years when I worked in another industry. I've been at SKYW now for a few months and wondered if there is anything peculiar to the 121 world with regards to filing? Any 'I wish I would have known I could have done that' tax issues or gotchas to watch out for?

Thanks!

tcco94 02-06-2017 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 2295999)
I have been watching and flying with new and old guys for quite awhile, I haven't had a newhire that had done anything except flight instruct for a couple of years. If you do the math, a flight instructor takes at least a year to create, and during their tenure as an instructor teach students(Duh). If you go to the average GA airport and look for an instructor, good luck finding one with more than a couple of years experience. The industry is destroying the very segment of the industry that it needs to produce the pilots it desperately needs. By the time the industry figures this out, it will be too late.

Not sure I see your point. You state a problem but no solution. Are they supposed to not hire young instructors? Because if they don't someone else will.

Skywest is already investing into this with their 0-hero program with their new company Skypath....associated with TransPac. Not very well known but it started this year with 2 brand new Archers bought by Skywest and when I left it was rumored they were starting with 8 pilots to see how it works out. ATP style training...get your certs and flight time as fast as you can then you work for Skywest. Not sure about details beyond that because the new TransPac owners were still trying to figure it out.

Seemed like a smart idea and trying to mitigate a problem that we have less pilots coming through so they'll be more selective. May as well seal them up at 0 hours.

Bravix 02-06-2017 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 2296010)
I think our ability to fill classes is based on company reputation and domiciles rather than any real understanding of our compensation beyond the hourly rates posted to APC.

In the face of huge bonuses and flow-through agreements at other places, I'm honestly surprised that we're still filling classes.

Outside looking in, from my perspective, this would be accurate. The pay is a substantial deterrent.

amcnd 02-06-2017 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Bravix (Post 2296144)
Outside looking in, from my perspective, this would be accurate. The pay is a substantial deterrent.

Well then you not one of the 100 that come here a month... enjoy your perfect regional... oh wait. There isn't one!!!


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