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RedBeardedPilot 02-01-2017 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Bravix (Post 2292567)
That's actually a bit less than I make instructing...but not by much. Been looking at SkyWest, the wages are the only thing causing me hesitation. Did the whole cadet thing even. But I really don't look forward to a pay cut.

Just curious, when you say averaging 88, is that your actual flight or credit? Looking at the numbers, I don't see how 88 credit would be getting you that money, unless per diem is really adding that much, and you're also including bonuses? (Which would lead to my next question, how substantial are the bonuses?)

Yeah that is including per diem. I pretty much did 4 day trips. Had a few displacement pay trips and them picked up extra trips. Nothing special and never over worked. That 88 hours is credit not blocked. I did about 780 hours of flying. Typical month was about $600 in per diem. Summer months were min days off 4 on 2 off kind of thing. Last 5 months been doing 4 on 3 off with sometimes a few 4 days off and maybe just a couple 2 day weekends thrown in there. I didn't have any bonuses paid. And realize your pay is only going to be increasing. Upgrade around 2 ish years you will almost double your income. Don't just stay instructing because you want to work your butt off for 45k and don't want to side step for a year.

ClickClickBoom 02-01-2017 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2292671)
This thinking is toxic. You'd rather not take a ONE year paycut for literally the remainder of your career having pay much MUCH higher than now?

Yeah, because a guy with a family, mortgage and a couple car payments is nervous about going from well above the middle of a seniority list to the bottom of another list. What is toxic, is someone deciding that what another does is wrong or poorly thought out. I personally know a UAL guy who was furloughed twice in short succession. Everybody has their reasons for their career choices.

Duesenflieger 02-01-2017 01:03 PM

Moral of the last few pages: everybody do whatever the heck that they feel is in their best interest and mind yer allz danged business. :D

EngineOut 02-01-2017 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 2292585)
Probably credit 88. Per diem does add a lot, $1.85 a hour for all time away from base is around $150 tax free, so about 600 a month.

As to LIFERs, I never understood it really but you will once you have kids, start making 100k plus and have a good schedule. Some people are lost generation, some don't have time to go to job fairs, on my days off it's about the kids out of necessity. I'm not a lifer by any means but I don't have free time for job fairs nor do I want a pay cut going to mainline first year.

Every airline is made up of pilots with different wants and needs, one group can't understand the other if you haven't been in that group. SkyWest is probably the best place to be a lifer at a regional if that's your choice.

You know that per diem is $1.90/hr as of 1/1/17, right? Woo hoo! Millionare!

word302 02-01-2017 03:16 PM

Right on cue, ERJ upgrade has dropped below 3 years.

amcnd 02-01-2017 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2292772)
Right on cue, ERJ upgrade has dropped below 3 years.

And CRJ is below 2 years now...

viper548 02-01-2017 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2292671)
This thinking is toxic. You'd rather not take a ONE year paycut for literally the remainder of your career having pay much MUCH higher than now?

Be sure an include the larger 401k contribution, profit sharing, higher per diem, etc. that the majors have. The 84/hr I made at skywest when I left was less than the 75/hr I made at the new job.

elmetal 02-01-2017 03:31 PM

They got blinders. Payrates are the only thing they compare...

Duesenflieger 02-01-2017 04:05 PM

Well, as previously stated...less competition for those of us who do want to move on ASAP. Haha

Bravix 02-01-2017 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by RedBeardedPilot (Post 2292680)
Yeah that is including per diem. I pretty much did 4 day trips. Had a few displacement pay trips and them picked up extra trips. Nothing special and never over worked. That 88 hours is credit not blocked. I did about 780 hours of flying. Typical month was about $600 in per diem. Summer months were min days off 4 on 2 off kind of thing. Last 5 months been doing 4 on 3 off with sometimes a few 4 days off and maybe just a couple 2 day weekends thrown in there. I didn't have any bonuses paid. And realize your pay is only going to be increasing. Upgrade around 2 ish years you will almost double your income. Don't just stay instructing because you want to work your butt off for 45k and don't want to side step for a year.

Oh, trust me, zero intention of staying instructing. I'm just trying to decide between the QOL at SkyWest (base I like, other things) versus the pay at Endeavor (but having to live in....ugh...New York.

But thanks for explaining the numbers! Helps my financial planning.


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