Skywest v2.0
06-14-2017 | 09:20 AM
#7661
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"Don't mind flying the CRJ"
I've never understood why people have a distaste for the CRJ after the ERJ showed up. It is still a jet, still has two engines, still flies 400-500 knots over the ground, and still has two flight attendants you can try to bang on overnights..
The ERJ makes you lazy, reliant on automation, and will not develop the skills necessary to become a proficient aviator if the ERJ is your first airplane faster than a 172. In my new hire class at brand x legacy, both people who washed out were former 175 pilots who had never flown anything but the 175. They had major major issues in the sim when it all went bad and had to fly raw data without auto throttles (amongst numerous other issues caused by lack of solid aviating experience.)
Do yourself a favor. Fly the CRJ, and drag your heels on accepting an ERJ slot, even if they beg you to take one. If skywest is still like it is now as when I was there, you will be flying a ton on the CRJ side and sitting at the crashpad watching guys with your similar seniority edge closer to upgrade.
If you got into this business with the dream of flying a 175 for a regional, then by all means find a way to get the 175...but if you, like most people, are using the regionals to finally one day find yourself in munich after flying a 777 there then don't shortchange your preparation and leave cracks in the foundation.
Lastly, remember, people still step into a 175 and say "ugh its a small plane."
I've never understood why people have a distaste for the CRJ after the ERJ showed up. It is still a jet, still has two engines, still flies 400-500 knots over the ground, and still has two flight attendants you can try to bang on overnights..
The ERJ makes you lazy, reliant on automation, and will not develop the skills necessary to become a proficient aviator if the ERJ is your first airplane faster than a 172. In my new hire class at brand x legacy, both people who washed out were former 175 pilots who had never flown anything but the 175. They had major major issues in the sim when it all went bad and had to fly raw data without auto throttles (amongst numerous other issues caused by lack of solid aviating experience.)
Do yourself a favor. Fly the CRJ, and drag your heels on accepting an ERJ slot, even if they beg you to take one. If skywest is still like it is now as when I was there, you will be flying a ton on the CRJ side and sitting at the crashpad watching guys with your similar seniority edge closer to upgrade.
If you got into this business with the dream of flying a 175 for a regional, then by all means find a way to get the 175...but if you, like most people, are using the regionals to finally one day find yourself in munich after flying a 777 there then don't shortchange your preparation and leave cracks in the foundation.
Lastly, remember, people still step into a 175 and say "ugh its a small plane."
06-14-2017 | 09:43 AM
#7662
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Others in the thread are correct, there isn't a "no preference" anymore. Pretty much all new hires are getting a two year seat lock.
06-14-2017 | 11:25 AM
#7663
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"Don't mind flying the CRJ"
I've never understood why people have a distaste for the CRJ after the ERJ showed up. It is still a jet, still has two engines, still flies 400-500 knots over the ground, and still has two flight attendants you can try to bang on overnights..
The ERJ makes you lazy, reliant on automation, and will not develop the skills necessary to become a proficient aviator if the ERJ is your first airplane faster than a 172. In my new hire class at brand x legacy, both people who washed out were former 175 pilots who had never flown anything but the 175. They had major major issues in the sim when it all went bad and had to fly raw data without auto throttles (amongst numerous other issues caused by lack of solid aviating experience.)
Do yourself a favor. Fly the CRJ, and drag your heels on accepting an ERJ slot, even if they beg you to take one. If skywest is still like it is now as when I was there, you will be flying a ton on the CRJ side and sitting at the crashpad watching guys with your similar seniority edge closer to upgrade.
If you got into this business with the dream of flying a 175 for a regional, then by all means find a way to get the 175...but if you, like most people, are using the regionals to finally one day find yourself in munich after flying a 777 there then don't shortchange your preparation and leave cracks in the foundation.
Lastly, remember, people still step into a 175 and say "ugh its a small plane."
I've never understood why people have a distaste for the CRJ after the ERJ showed up. It is still a jet, still has two engines, still flies 400-500 knots over the ground, and still has two flight attendants you can try to bang on overnights..
The ERJ makes you lazy, reliant on automation, and will not develop the skills necessary to become a proficient aviator if the ERJ is your first airplane faster than a 172. In my new hire class at brand x legacy, both people who washed out were former 175 pilots who had never flown anything but the 175. They had major major issues in the sim when it all went bad and had to fly raw data without auto throttles (amongst numerous other issues caused by lack of solid aviating experience.)
Do yourself a favor. Fly the CRJ, and drag your heels on accepting an ERJ slot, even if they beg you to take one. If skywest is still like it is now as when I was there, you will be flying a ton on the CRJ side and sitting at the crashpad watching guys with your similar seniority edge closer to upgrade.
If you got into this business with the dream of flying a 175 for a regional, then by all means find a way to get the 175...but if you, like most people, are using the regionals to finally one day find yourself in munich after flying a 777 there then don't shortchange your preparation and leave cracks in the foundation.
Lastly, remember, people still step into a 175 and say "ugh its a small plane."
Thanks
06-14-2017 | 11:49 AM
#7664
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Not meant to scare you or anyone else. Automation is great but also leads us all down a path to lose the skills we all worked so hard to gain.. handfly as much as possible, don't use the auto brakes (if 175 has them), fly at least one approach per trip with auto throttles off (if you're going to do this, brief your captain ahead of time that you would like to do it). Just don't get lured down the path that just because the airplane can do something, that it should.
Oh and also do not forget how to descent plan- vnav is a wonderful tool but it will go belly up on you and remembering the basics like the 3:1 rule will save you. Do not let the airplane take away your ability to be a pilot..
Oh and also do not forget how to descent plan- vnav is a wonderful tool but it will go belly up on you and remembering the basics like the 3:1 rule will save you. Do not let the airplane take away your ability to be a pilot..
As a relative new hire(E175)who's sitting in ORD on reserve with what seems like an eternity before reaching 1000hrs, what do you suggest to avoid the issues you listed above? I'm not doubting you in some respects to the automation, I'm just looking for ways to continue to improve as an E175 pilot and all around aviator.
Thanks
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06-14-2017 | 12:07 PM
#7665
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From what I've heard also (makes sense too) the upgrade from ERJ to CRJ is a lot more difficult. Unless you plan on waiting the extra years to upgrade to ERJ it sounds like your best option is the CRJ. Just don't get that bad attitude ERJ "I'm a mainline pilot" and you'll be fine here.
It is a different automation philosophy, but still a jet nonetheless, and we all fly in the same environment. Understanding the modes and how and when to use them and all the possible techniques and combinations is a skill in an of itself. You are throwing around subtle insults at your fellow collegues and implying that CRJ pilots are better because they work with less. Perhaps it's your attitude that could use an adjustment?
06-14-2017 | 12:09 PM
#7666
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Not meant to scare you or anyone else. Automation is great but also leads us all down a path to lose the skills we all worked so hard to gain.. handfly as much as possible, don't use the auto brakes (if 175 has them), fly at least one approach per trip with auto throttles off (if you're going to do this, brief your captain ahead of time that you would like to do it). Just don't get lured down the path that just because the airplane can do something, that it should.
Oh and also do not forget how to descent plan- vnav is a wonderful tool but it will go belly up on you and remembering the basics like the 3:1 rule will save you. Do not let the airplane take away your ability to be a pilot..
Oh and also do not forget how to descent plan- vnav is a wonderful tool but it will go belly up on you and remembering the basics like the 3:1 rule will save you. Do not let the airplane take away your ability to be a pilot..
06-14-2017 | 12:13 PM
#7667
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From: LAX ER
There are also CRJ check airman who have failed the transition training LOE to the ERJ in recent months and that is a fact.
It is a different automation philosophy, but still a jet nonetheless, and we all fly in the same environment. Understanding the modes and how and when to use them and all the possible techniques and combinations is a skill in an of itself. You are throwing around subtle insults at your fellow collegues and implying that CRJ pilots are better because they work with less. Perhaps it's your attitude that could use an adjustment?
It is a different automation philosophy, but still a jet nonetheless, and we all fly in the same environment. Understanding the modes and how and when to use them and all the possible techniques and combinations is a skill in an of itself. You are throwing around subtle insults at your fellow collegues and implying that CRJ pilots are better because they work with less. Perhaps it's your attitude that could use an adjustment?
I simply said I've heard that the transition from the levels of automation in the ERJ to CRJ is a big jump for someone who's never flown it. Learn how to read so you can stop making assumptions.
I don't doubt that anyone on our property is a lesser skilled pilot left/right seat, ERJ or CRJ. I was just giving some advice. Who's to say someone could be a better CRJ pilot coming from the ERJ.
06-14-2017 | 01:50 PM
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DUDE you are a new hire too! So the 'problem' today is people who went to class in Denver instead of Salt Lake? What is this 'problem' anyway? It's a backhanded compliment towards ERJ pilots, not me twisting your words.
It's not just what you say, it's what it implies... only ERJ pilots could've let shiny jet syndrome get the best of them, while CRJ pilots have demonstrated immunity.
You don't realize how you come off.
"Bad ERJ attitude"!?
Hook, line, and sinker.....
06-14-2017 | 04:54 PM
#7669
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Your statements not mine.
DUDE you are a new hire too! So the 'problem' today is people who went to class in Denver instead of Salt Lake? What is this 'problem' anyway? It's a backhanded compliment towards ERJ pilots, not me twisting your words.
It's not just what you say, it's what it implies... only ERJ pilots could've let shiny jet syndrome get the best of them, while CRJ pilots have demonstrated immunity.
You don't realize how you come off.
"Bad ERJ attitude"!?
Hook, line, and sinker.....
DUDE you are a new hire too! So the 'problem' today is people who went to class in Denver instead of Salt Lake? What is this 'problem' anyway? It's a backhanded compliment towards ERJ pilots, not me twisting your words.
It's not just what you say, it's what it implies... only ERJ pilots could've let shiny jet syndrome get the best of them, while CRJ pilots have demonstrated immunity.
You don't realize how you come off.
"Bad ERJ attitude"!?
Hook, line, and sinker.....
I see what you mean now. My comment was implied as a bad "ERJ" attitude but I was simply trying to say don't fall into the "we're better" attitude. Same can go with the CRJ guys tooting their horn our jets are "more difficult" to fly and ERJ guys have it "easy" and ERJ guys "fly mainline routes" and are "practically mainline". It's a never ending argument that makes no sense. That was my bad on writing a bad comment, not what I meant. So I'm sorry that probably sparked you.
I have no problem with ERJ pilots. Jumpseated a handful of times, very impressed. Not sure how someone could take something so personal. Y'all are just as good, if not better than us and we probably have even worse guys on our side. Nothing was said in training, lol. Just my opinion, I have no problems, granted every word seems to ruffle some feathers.
06-14-2017 | 06:46 PM
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Come on...first of all a lot of new hires have SJS. I'm not going to argue with an ERJ pilot over SJS. It's no hidden fact your jet is the better, nicer looking jet. NOT saying you are the only ones with SJS, just simply that's where we default our eyes. Seriously going to argue someone has SJS over a 200? I'd beg to differ, the glamorous lifestyle and bases are 175...no hidden fact.
I see what you mean now. My comment was implied as a bad "ERJ" attitude but I was simply trying to say don't fall into the "we're better" attitude. Same can go with the CRJ guys tooting their horn our jets are "more difficult" to fly and ERJ guys have it "easy" and ERJ guys "fly mainline routes" and are "practically mainline". It's a never ending argument that makes no sense. That was my bad on writing a bad comment, not what I meant. So I'm sorry that probably sparked you.
I have no problem with ERJ pilots. Jumpseated a handful of times, very impressed. Not sure how someone could take something so personal. Y'all are just as good, if not better than us and we probably have even worse guys on our side. Nothing was said in training, lol. Just my opinion, I have no problems, granted every word seems to ruffle some feathers.
I see what you mean now. My comment was implied as a bad "ERJ" attitude but I was simply trying to say don't fall into the "we're better" attitude. Same can go with the CRJ guys tooting their horn our jets are "more difficult" to fly and ERJ guys have it "easy" and ERJ guys "fly mainline routes" and are "practically mainline". It's a never ending argument that makes no sense. That was my bad on writing a bad comment, not what I meant. So I'm sorry that probably sparked you.
I have no problem with ERJ pilots. Jumpseated a handful of times, very impressed. Not sure how someone could take something so personal. Y'all are just as good, if not better than us and we probably have even worse guys on our side. Nothing was said in training, lol. Just my opinion, I have no problems, granted every word seems to ruffle some feathers.
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