peepz

Very well said and couldn't agree more.

tcco94

Nowhere in any of my comments did I say anything about pilot ability or insult anyone. Leave it to someone on APC to get soft skin panties in a bunch and twist someone's words.

I simply said I've heard that the transition from the levels of automation in the ERJ to CRJ is a big jump for someone who's never flown it. Learn how to read so you can stop making assumptions.

I don't doubt that anyone on our property is a lesser skilled pilot left/right seat, ERJ or CRJ. I was just giving some advice. Who's to say someone could be a better CRJ pilot coming from the ERJ.

TimetoClimb

Your statements not mine.

DUDE you are a new hire too! So the 'problem' today is people who went to class in Denver instead of Salt Lake? What is this 'problem' anyway? It's a backhanded compliment towards ERJ pilots, not me twisting your words.

It's not just what you say, it's what it implies... only ERJ pilots could've let shiny jet syndrome get the best of them, while CRJ pilots have demonstrated immunity.

You don't realize how you come off.

"Bad ERJ attitude"!?

Hook, line, and sinker.....

tcco94

Come on...first of all a lot of new hires have SJS. I'm not going to argue with an ERJ pilot over SJS. It's no hidden fact your jet is the better, nicer looking jet. NOT saying you are the only ones with SJS, just simply that's where we default our eyes. Seriously going to argue someone has SJS over a 200? I'd beg to differ, the glamorous lifestyle and bases are 175...no hidden fact.

I see what you mean now. My comment was implied as a bad "ERJ" attitude but I was simply trying to say don't fall into the "we're better" attitude. Same can go with the CRJ guys tooting their horn our jets are "more difficult" to fly and ERJ guys have it "easy" and ERJ guys "fly mainline routes" and are "practically mainline". It's a never ending argument that makes no sense. That was my bad on writing a bad comment, not what I meant. So I'm sorry that probably sparked you.

I have no problem with ERJ pilots. Jumpseated a handful of times, very impressed. Not sure how someone could take something so personal. Y'all are just as good, if not better than us and we probably have even worse guys on our side. Nothing was said in training, lol. Just my opinion, I have no problems, granted every word seems to ruffle some feathers.

TimetoClimb

No prob, just making sure were batting for the same team here...aka vote no on this sorry excuse of a TA !

tcco94

Thanks man and yup!

450knotOffice

Having flown the turboprops, then the 145's, then the CRJ's, then the 737's, and now the Airbuses, I see nothing wrong with what tcco94 wrote. He may be a new hire, as you are, but it seems he recognizes the fact that time spent in a simpler jet (such as the CRJ), flying in the same environment you fly your 175, forces a pilot to maintain a more "connected" situational awareness - in the sence that the CRJ does not have autothrust to maintain or change speed (therefore it's solely the pilot's role to take care of this - or not), nor does it have coupled VNAV, which FORCES a pilot to be more situationally aware of his aircraft's position on the vertical path, and to make adjustments to his vertical speed to meet all of the restrictions. The fact of the matter is that CRJ pilots are required to use their noggin a little more than their 175 counterparts, due to the lower automation levels. They are forced to think about - and solve - more issues than their 175 counterparts, wth regard to vertical navigation and speed management at all times.

This is not a dig on you or any 175 pilot. It's a statement of fact. By spending some significant time in a jet that requires you to think more to solve the vertical challenges of a STAR and the speed management issues of said Star and the subsequent approach and landing, you are building a solid foundation for the rest of your career. You are always double checking you're "box" with your own 3:1 vertical profile and 6x the groundspeed descent rate, just in case something's been entered wrong or whatever. People who've done this mental math out of necessity for years have a stronger foundation to back up the automation we all now so heavily rely on.

I speak from experience. I spent 8500 hours in the 145 and another 1000 in the CRJ 700 before I flew the 737, and later the Airbus - a jet I have more than 1500 hours in now. Those last two jets (and your 175) will make you and me lazy if we let them, because their FMS's and Coupled VNAV and Autothrust take care of everything - we are just along for the ride, in a sense. I have to force myself to stay "in the game" with the Airbus I fly now. A big part of being able to stay in the game is being aware of your position on the vertical profile and being able to handle your own speed/thrust changes without AT and VNAV - a set of skills that jets with lower automation levels force their pilots to master out of sheer necessity.

As was said by someone else earlier, turn off the AT as often as you can. Control your own speed with your own hand and brain. Try to always stay ahead of your jet during the descent so that if the automation fails you somehow, you are always aware and ready to take over on your own.

So, personally, I think there's every benefit to be had by spending a few years in a "simpler" jet (like the CRJ or the 145) before spending the rest of your career in the more highly automated jets of today. It builds a good foundation.

Duesenflieger

450knots hit the nail on the head why the ERJ should not be one's first jet. I started out flying 60s turboprops and old corporate jet for 135.... even the CRJ is highly automated to me, it's so automated let alone the 175.

Westernflight

But it's sooo shiny!!

WheresHomeAgain

Come on. The 1500 hour rule has made us much safer....in the dark days before the rule lots of pilots went from a 172 to a BE1900 to build experience before going to a jet....a BE 1900 is 1729 more than a 172, so very dangerous.

Now, we young folks get to go from a 172 straight to a 175....the 175 is only 3 more than a 172, so its almost the same thing.

See? And people thought congress would screw this whole thing up. The rule seems to be working fine to me!