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Old 08-23-2017 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SunCap
O.K., who would be the best person to speak with about keeping the paper checklist? I have noticed they are slowly disappearing in the aircraft. I appreciate all the effort to have the ability to review electronic releases, dmi's, and such on the EFB, but this is going too far. Seriously, how often do they need to print a new checklist; once a year? Yeah, let's go heads down into an often glitchy efb where you have to punch in a code to open it up, swipe to the right location, swipe to the right page on the checklist. By this time I would already have the paper checklist completed. Then have to get back to the page with... approach plate, taxi diagram, etc. Whoever thought this was a great idea obviously doesn't fly anymore.

Hardly any of management flies. 2 at Director level very occasionally fly. Many in management don't or can't get medicals.

So ya, we are told how to fly planes by people that don't fly planes?
Old 08-23-2017 | 12:57 PM
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Alright, how about a shutdown check?

Both EFBs off and in the bag.

Look at each other...
Old 08-23-2017 | 01:05 PM
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Just fill out an ASAP for every leg.
Old 08-23-2017 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by uncleowen
Alright, how about a shutdown check?

Both EFBs off and in the bag.

Look at each other...
And recite the checklist. The fo knows it, and the caption definitely knows it in the crj because it's literally the shutdown flow

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Old 08-23-2017 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SunCap
O.K., who would be the best person to speak with about keeping the paper checklist? I have noticed they are slowly disappearing in the aircraft. I appreciate all the effort to have the ability to review electronic releases, dmi's, and such on the EFB, but this is going too far. Seriously, how often do they need to print a new checklist; once a year? Yeah, let's go heads down into an often glitchy efb where you have to punch in a code to open it up, swipe to the right location, swipe to the right page on the checklist. By this time I would already have the paper checklist completed. Then have to get back to the page with... approach plate, taxi diagram, etc. Whoever thought this was a great idea obviously doesn't fly anymore.
I think with electronic checklists we will begin to see updates far more often. What is now once each year might become once each month or week.

As for who to talk to, ASAP every single leg as well as talking to the FAA directly to voice concern over the safety implications of switching programs during critical phases of flight and not being able to adequately display the required charts while needing to run checklists and how prone to freezing and crashing our surfaces are.
Old 08-23-2017 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
And recite the checklist. The fo knows it, and the caption definitely knows it in the crj because it's literally the shutdown flow

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Yup, that's how it goes down and if you think going rote on checklists is healthy then go nuts, hotrod.
Old 08-23-2017 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by uncleowen
Yup, that's how it goes down and if you think going rote on checklists is healthy then go nuts, hotrod.
I'm just saying, that's how it'll happen. Hotrod

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Old 08-23-2017 | 01:27 PM
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Lol. Nobody cares about shutdowns, I get it, that was a joke. I have absolutely found myself going more off memory with the electronic checklists because it's super small in the split screen or not up or whatever. I'm not Mr. SOP but that is no bueno.
Old 08-23-2017 | 01:30 PM
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I just want hard copy of the Before Landing check. And the Descent Check...so you can knock it out real quick when you realize you forgot to do it at 500'.
Old 08-23-2017 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I just want hard copy of the Before Landing check. And the Descent Check...so you can knock it out real quick when you realize you forgot to do it at 500'.
This right here

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