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elmetal 09-07-2017 07:33 AM

How about when they have an ot pairing with LCO on it? You're going to work aren't you? Why not MDG?

Oh but wait it's MDG OR 1.5x lco whatever is higher.

Yeah good luck with that. Our ppm is a joke and it pains you to admit it. It's ok.

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RemoveB4Flight 09-07-2017 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2426482)
Now QOL on the other hand...it might be worth a union right now to try and get some QOL rules locked in. That was why I voted yes in 2006...didn't think we needed it, but wanted to lock in the QOL we had at the time, just in case. Guess I was right about that one.

QOL is the reason I would vote yes to a union as well.
Also I am not against having a legally binding contract instead of a policy manual that management can (and regularly does) change and interpret to fit their needs.
In reference to my previous comment about paying a union, I am not suggesting that a union fixes everything (certainly not at the regional level), but there are undeniable benefits as well.

Check Complete 09-07-2017 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2426529)
QOL is the reason I would vote yes to a union as well.
Also I am not against having a legally binding contract instead of a policy manual that management can (and regularly does) change and interpret to fit their needs.
In reference to my previous comment about paying a union, I am not suggesting that a union fixes everything (certainly not at the regional level), but there are undeniable benefits as well.

I would vote in a union the first chance I have! The PPM is a joke! A new hire was "released" for failing their final sim ride, sure it's not for everyone. But the student pleaded to have a sim during normal hours claiming they were fatigued by having to be in the sim from 22:00 to 02:00, fell on deaf ears.

That's not even permissible, at Republic, to train or check during those hours. Written in a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT!

Oh, enjoy the 4am stuff too!

AboveMins 09-07-2017 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2426384)
Yea of course they are....lots of money being left on the table not having SkyWest feeding their fat pockets. They would love nothing more than to assist in garnishing their paychecks.

Actually, it's pennies in the grand scheme of things.

rickair7777 09-08-2017 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2426516)
Rick. Do you happen to remember what the voter participation percentage was on that vote? Just curious.

Not exactly, but it was about 30% yes IIRC. At the time the rule was that a vote not cast counted as a no vote, so there's no way to distinguish between no voters and apathy on that vote.

I believe the rule was subsequently changed, so as I understand it in any such election today you only need a majority of the CAST ballots, so actually it would be easier to pull off today than in 2006 (apathy doesn't count as a no vote).

rickair7777 09-08-2017 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2426521)
How about when they have an ot pairing with LCO on it? You're going to work aren't you? Why not MDG?

Oh but wait it's MDG OR 1.5x lco whatever is higher.

Yeah good luck with that. Our ppm is a joke and it pains you to admit it. It's ok.

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I only work OT if it pays enough. If the company needs my help on a day off they just have to pay me enough, I don't care if they call it MDG, x1.5, or beer money so long as the price is right.

AboveMins 09-08-2017 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2427013)

Judging by your posts, you've proven P.T. Barnum correct.

rickair7777 09-08-2017 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2426529)
QOL is the reason I would vote yes to a union as well.
Also I am not against having a legally binding contract instead of a policy manual that management can (and regularly does) change and interpret to fit their needs.

Those of us who have worked at union regionals and subsequently come to SKW know better.

Union regionals violate the contract all the time, and the "law" never gets involved. You are generally NOT allowed to refuse an assignment in violation of the contract, but you can grieve it after the fact. The grievance process will take many months and if you win you'll typically get one hour of pay as penalty to the company.

So naturally the company doesn't care one whit if they have to pay you an hour next April if that's the cost of forcing you to cover flying today.

rickair7777 09-08-2017 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by Check Complete (Post 2426586)
I would vote in a union the first chance I have! The PPM is a joke! A new hire was "released" for failing their final sim ride, sure it's not for everyone. But the student pleaded to have a sim during normal hours claiming they were fatigued by having to be in the sim from 22:00 to 02:00, fell on deaf ears.

That's not even permissible, at Republic, to train or check during those hours. Written in a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT!

Oh, enjoy the 4am stuff too!

Sounds like somebody needs cheese to go with their whine.

Like airplanes, sims are very expensive to own/lease, so the company needs to get max utilization out of them.

Airline crews frequently end their day after midnight and start at 0400 or even worse if time zones are in play.

Don't see how anyone is entitled to pick his own sim hours. I could see if he found someone willing to trade, but whining and hoping to get somebody forced to swap your sim slot sounds like buddy-screwing to me.


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