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Cefiro 09-09-2017 03:19 AM
Originally Posted by Check Complete (Post 2426586)
I would vote in a union the first chance I have! The PPM is a joke! A new hire was "released" for failing their final sim ride, sure it's not for everyone. But the student pleaded to have a sim during normal hours claiming they were fatigued by having to be in the sim from 22:00 to 02:00, fell on deaf ears.

That's not even permissible, at Republic, to train or check during those hours. Written in a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT!

Oh, enjoy the 4am stuff too!
There is more to this story, SkyW gives new hires plenty of opportunities. The 3 strike rule, plenty of extra sim time, etc. the actual time of the sim is no excuse. I and plenty of others have done the midnight to 4am slot and made it through. If he couldn't handle flying late at night he's not cut out for this job.

zondaracer 09-09-2017 04:34 AM
Originally Posted by Check Complete (Post 2426586)
I would vote in a union the first chance I have! The PPM is a joke! A new hire was "released" for failing their final sim ride, sure it's not for everyone. But the student pleaded to have a sim during normal hours claiming they were fatigued by having to be in the sim from 22:00 to 02:00, fell on deaf ears.

That's not even permissible, at Republic, to train or check during those hours. Written in a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT!

Oh, enjoy the 4am stuff too!
I actually bid for the 4am stuff and I like it.

NewGuy01 09-09-2017 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by zondaracer (Post 2427567)
I actually bid for the 4am stuff and I like it.


No FAA...

Also SKW seemed to give the people with a good attitude a lot of "do overs." Bad attitude, not so much...


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WesternSkies 09-09-2017 11:58 AM
Definitely more to the story.

Strenyakov 09-09-2017 12:19 PM
Originally Posted by zondaracer (Post 2427567)
I actually bid for the 4am stuff and I like it.
To you that is early morning, to me that is late at night.

hawk21 09-09-2017 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by zondaracer (Post 2427567)
I actually bid for the 4am stuff and I like it.

I had the 8 pm - 2 am shift for new hire sims and it was pretty chill.

Jonneaux 09-09-2017 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2427536)
Then for their sake they better hope that when a vote does take place, they have classes full of all impressionable young minds and not experienced people from a union regional via soft landing 2.0.
To answer the next inevitable question:
Why would they leave their union regional to Skywest if they loved it so much?
Imagine union regional X goes under. Disgruntled but experienced pilots have many options of other regionals to go to. Reluctantly they choose Skywest, not because they want to come here (they really would rather have a union, and possibly also loathe Inc already) but because they can pick up where they left off at 8 years on the pay scale and a quick upgrade.
Most of the guys that I have flown with that came from a union carrier want nothing more to do with a union. Most of the most vocal union supporters I have seen are those who, you might say, have other issues and I'll just leave it at that.

gojo 09-09-2017 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by Jonneaux (Post 2427894)
Most of the guys that I have flown with that came from a union carrier want nothing more to do with a union. Most of the most vocal union supporters I have seen are those who, you might say, have other issues and I'll just leave it at that.
What you need to realize is that just like on this forum you're only receiving a small sampling. And I hope that you're not naive enough to believe that this is how all union pilots feel? What you're hearing is coming from disgruntled X union pilots. I also would venture to say there are many who are dissatisfied with the recent events at the Mighty Skywest. Does that mean everyone at Skywest though? Probably not.

amcnd 09-09-2017 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by Jonneaux (Post 2427894)
Most of the guys that I have flown with that came from a union carrier want nothing more to do with a union. Most of the most vocal union supporters I have seen are those who, you might say, have other issues and I'll just leave it at that.
I agree with you. But the other guy has a point. The main thing is. There is not a "severe" enough gap between us and the union airlines...

Nevjets 09-10-2017 04:56 AM
Skywest v2.0
 
Originally Posted by Jonneaux (Post 2427894)
Most of the guys that I have flown with that came from a union carrier want nothing more to do with a union. Most of the most vocal union supporters I have seen are those who, you might say, have other issues and I'll just leave it at that.
So I guess they will be lifers?

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2427920)
I agree with you. But the other guy has a point. The main thing is. There is not a "severe" enough gap between us and the union airlines...

I know it's true but it's too bad so many pilots look at a union only as a means to close that gap in the next negotiating round.


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