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msprj2 09-22-2017 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by Jonneaux (Post 2434304)
My math skills tell me that the PPS check that I received last week amounted to an additional $8.80/hr for the quarter bringing my hourly rate up to about $121/hr. That's based on my rate at the time. Under the new agreement, add another $3/hr. What other regional pays near that, year 18?.

What about the pilot sitting next to you making $30/hr. Do you brag about how much you make
To them?

TogaParty 09-22-2017 06:32 PM

Seems more sad than anything that it takes 18 years to attain that pay scale, which is still less than the YEAR 2 FO hourly rate at UA/DL/AA.

RemoveB4Flight 09-22-2017 10:58 PM


Originally Posted by TogaParty (Post 2434699)
Seems more sad than anything that it takes 18 years to attain that pay scale, which is still less than the YEAR 2 FO hourly rate at UA/DL/AA.

Like.

Cue the yes voters and kool aid drinkers crying "don't compare us to mainline, we are a regional airline we can't expect to make mainline pay".

Even though you're comparing an 18 year regional captain to a 2 year mainline FO..

Duesenflieger 09-23-2017 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2434754)
Like.

Cue the yes voters and kool aid drinkers crying "don't compare us to mainline, we are a regional airline we can't expect to make mainline pay".

Even though you're comparing an 18 year regional captain to a 2 year mainline FO..

If they could take a paycut for the good of the company, I am sure that they would handily do so without a fuss. "We're a regional. We have to take more paycuts!!!11!11!" would be their slogan then.

Utah 09-23-2017 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Nevjets (Post 2434540)
It's not just about hourly pay. What is your vacation and sick accrual? What percentage of health insurance premiums do you pay? Do they have cost escalation restrictions for year-over-year insurance increases? Do you get paid block or better? What matching funds does your employer provide and is it at 100% or something less? Do you have a defined contribution plan? Does your employer provide an occupational injury bank? Do they provide premium sharing for LTD policy that pays until you are 65?

And if you want to include QOL items, do you have a contractual no fault sick, fatigue, and commuter policy? Do they have a contractual train to proficiency policy that includes an impartial training review board? Do they have a neutral third party arbitration clause to handle disputes? Are they able to reassign you via ACARS? Are you required to check-in? Are you required to sit reserve if a flight gets cancelled? Is airport standby more than 4 hours? Can they assign you back to back airport standby days? Is there a limit on airport standby assignment per month? Can they assign you airport standby on the last day of reserve? Are there any automatic release rules for reserve?

Those are just a few items I can think of off the top of my head.

All good points but this pilot group has decided they prefer growth and upgrades over that stuff.

GearUpHeadDown 09-23-2017 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Nevjets (Post 2434540)
It's not just about hourly pay. What is your vacation and sick accrual? What percentage of health insurance premiums do you pay? Do they have cost escalation restrictions for year-over-year insurance increases? Do you get paid block or better? What matching funds does your employer provide and is it at 100% or something less? Do you have a defined contribution plan? Does your employer provide an occupational injury bank? Do they provide premium sharing for LTD policy that pays until you are 65?

And if you want to include QOL items, do you have a contractual no fault sick, fatigue, and commuter policy? Do they have a contractual train to proficiency policy that includes an impartial training review board? Do they have a neutral third party arbitration clause to handle disputes? Are they able to reassign you via ACARS? Are you required to check-in? Are you required to sit reserve if a flight gets cancelled? Is airport standby more than 4 hours? Can they assign you back to back airport standby days? Is there a limit on airport standby assignment per month? Can they assign you airport standby on the last day of reserve? Are there any automatic release rules for reserve?

Those are just a few items I can think of off the top of my head.

You need to stop pimping unions over here. It clearly didn't do you any good on your side of the fence. Like Utah said, we prefer growth and QOL over nitpicking at the small things.

Jonneaux 09-23-2017 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Nevjets (Post 2434540)
It's not just about hourly pay. What is your vacation and sick accrual? What percentage of health insurance premiums do you pay? Do they have cost escalation restrictions for year-over-year insurance increases? Do you get paid block or better? What matching funds does your employer provide and is it at 100% or something less? Do you have a defined contribution plan? Does your employer provide an occupational injury bank? Do they provide premium sharing for LTD policy that pays until you are 65?

And if you want to include QOL items, do you have a contractual no fault sick, fatigue, and commuter policy? Do they have a contractual train to proficiency policy that includes an impartial training review board? Do they have a neutral third party arbitration clause to handle disputes? Are they able to reassign you via ACARS? Are you required to check-in? Are you required to sit reserve if a flight gets cancelled? Is airport standby more than 4 hours? Can they assign you back to back airport standby days? Is there a limit on airport standby assignment per month? Can they assign you airport standby on the last day of reserve? Are there any automatic release rules for reserve?


Those are just a few items I can think of off the top of my head.


And how is life at Express Jet? A few years ago you had how many planes? 500? How many do you have now? 200? You are slowly being wound down. Get out while you can.

Jonneaux 09-23-2017 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2434693)
What about the pilot sitting next to you making $30/hr. Do you brag about how much you make
To them?

He makes $37.50 and I buy his coffee and lunch.

rickair7777 09-23-2017 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2434693)
What about the pilot sitting next to you making $30/hr. Do you brag about how much you make
To them?


Some of them brag about how they they instructed for 17 years because they refused to work for $19/hour.


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