And that increases every year through the term of the agreement.

Things are changing fast. Let's see if those rates are sustainable.

If our hiring can't keep up with attrition, the company will come back to us.

 

Had we voted no we would have been able to use endeavors TA as a bargaining chip.

 

Endeavor's TA is too much money for the yes voters

 

Hey that's not a bad idea! Maybe we could set it up so that the yes voters can keep their low pay and the no voters can get the raise.
The yes voters would get the 1%, the company would save money on them, and the no voters can get what is deserved. Everyone wins

 

Not just keep up with attrition, but also grow by 500 or so. There were rumors last year of a 5000 pilot seniority list and it looks like that is in fact what we'll be shooting for.

 

To get to 5000 they will have to hire 1000 pilots.. every month attrition runs 40-70 right now..

 

And united isn’t even hiring at the moment

 

There is a minimum guaranteed distribution of $12 million a year for 4 years? This doesn't require a profit? Is it shared equally by every pilot on property, however many that may be when it's distributed? Is there a way to quantify this into an exact pay rate increase? For example, with endeavor's $20,000 bonus converted to pay rate increase (assuming 75 hours per month), equates to an increase of $22.22 pay rate increase. In other words, is there a way for you to count on X amount in your pocket with this PPS as pay rates are?


Management agreed to convert temporary bonuses into contractual hourly pay increases for many years into the future. That has to speak for the sustainability. And if it isn't, management will come back to the pilots. But the pilots will be an a better negotiating position than if they told management that the raises they want to give them may not be sustainable. Is this the conversation you would have?

 

Thats whybit went from 70 in August to 40 for September....

 

What are the staffing levels on the 175? 5 pilots per aircraft?

5*45=225 pilots added to the list of 4470 today.

I've noticed the list makes incremental gains by about 40 a month despite hiring over 100 pilots a month.

It's going to take a lot of hiring to properly staff the new 175s. Provided they all are delivered in 2018 of course.


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