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Old 10-06-2017 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
I've been a member on my regional MEC.
Maybe you were the exception to the rule.

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You don't know what you are taking about. No one tells any MEC what to negotiate for, period. National provides attorneys and other specialist. But there are no pilots, other than those on that properties seniority list, that tell anyone anything as far as guidance on what to negotiate for.
That's the whole problem. Regionals need something better, guidance, standardization, and cooperation. Since the regionals exist to whipsaw labor, that labor needs something that does more than collecting 2% and going with the flow.

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There may be no incentive for one MEC to help another, which is precisely why no mec tells anyone else what to do. Each does what they feel is in their best interest. Most times those interest line up but sometimes they may not.
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I'm telling you, this whole ALPA conflict of interest is BS. The conflict of interest is in sapa. But if you don't like ALPA because you continue to believe it has a conflict of interest, you can certify sapa and have the best of both worlds.
I'm was no sapa fanboy, or cool-aid drinker either. Just saying alpa as an ALTERNATIVE to sapa is weak sauce (at a regional).

And everybody knows a regional group cannot afford an independent union.

Plus there's the whole common-carrier / SLI issue if SKW certified.
Old 10-06-2017 | 05:04 AM
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The ALPA fanboy is back. We have 45 new planes and you are closing shop. How well did they serve you? If anything, they were a big reason why you’re shrinking drastically. Get over it.
Old 10-06-2017 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by GearUpHeadDown
The ALPA fanboy is back. We have 45 new planes and you are closing shop. How well did they serve you? If anything, they were a big reason why you’re shrinking drastically. Get over it.
They served us well until Inc came along and started mucking things up with the money losing contracts they negotiated for us, not to mention the buffoons they sent to Atlanta who knew nothing of running a lemonade stand, let alone an airline.
Old 10-06-2017 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AboveMins
They served us well until Inc came along and started mucking things up with the money losing contracts they negotiated for us, not to mention the buffoons they sent to Atlanta who knew nothing of running a lemonade stand, let alone an airline.
I’m not going to beat a dead horse; pilots are experts at doing that.
Old 10-06-2017 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by GearUpHeadDown
I’m not going to beat a dead horse; pilots are experts at doing that.
By all means, let's beat this dead horse. SkyWest, Inc. is the reason we're winding down, not ALPA. By your logic, all unionized carriers should be shutting down, and replaced with non-union airlines that can have their labor "agreements" changed at the whim of management's desires. ALPA isn't perfect (if they were, you'd only see ALPA folks make it past the hiring boards are ALPA majors), especially at the national level, but our local folks do a great job of serving the pilot group, as best they can.
Old 10-06-2017 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AboveMins
By all means, let's beat this dead horse. SkyWest, Inc. is the reason we're winding down, not ALPA. By your logic, all unionized carriers should be shutting down, and replaced with non-union airlines that can have their labor "agreements" changed at the whim of management's desires. ALPA isn't perfect (if they were, you'd only see ALPA folks make it past the hiring boards are ALPA majors), especially at the national level, but our local folks do a great job of serving the pilot group, as best they can.
You should have been gone a long time ago.. OO threw you a life line. Maybe if your great union cared more about you than their own interests it would have been different.
Old 10-06-2017 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Maybe you were the exception to the rule.



That's the whole problem. Regionals need something better, guidance, standardization, and cooperation. Since the regionals exist to whipsaw labor, that labor needs something that does more than collecting 2% and going with the flow.



See Above.




I'm was no sapa fanboy, or cool-aid drinker either. Just saying alpa as an ALTERNATIVE to sapa is weak sauce (at a regional).

And everybody knows a regional group cannot afford an independent union.

Plus there's the whole common-carrier / SLI issue if SKW certified.
I don't think I'm making myself clear. Let me try again. Yes, management setup regionals to whipsaw their labor. But labor is not against each other because of it. Regional MEC's decide on their own (for better or worse) what is best for their pilot group. No one, and I mean NOBODY can compel ANY mec what to do or not do. Regional and major MEC's do the exact same thing. The difference being (in negotiations) is that major mec negotiate with management of their airline which sell their own tickets. This is the only reason why their is such a great disparity between regional and major compensation. But both MEC's receive advice from the same professional staff of attorneys and subject matter experts. It's up to each mec to do what they can considering the economics of their specific situation. There is ABSOLUTELY no conflict of interest. If there was, why were pilots from Alaska, Fedex, delta, and united helping out during the last ALPa organizing drive? Why would they want more regional pilots in conflict against their interests? Why would they want another regional to have to subsidize with their dues?

Look, I've been non-union and union. I've been on the mec and just a line pilot. I had a lot of misconceptions also, especially on unions in general. I'm telling you, it's not what you think. Even ALPA, with all its warts, is better than no union.

By the way, if you don't like ALPA, that's fine, and you don't think you can go independent (still better than nothing and gets rid of the true conflict of interest), then there is also the IBT. There are no excuses at this point.

One last thing, don't ignore the major part of what ALPA does. It's not negotiating contracts! It's the safety and security advocacy and the pilot representation aspect from dealing with management, government agencies, medical, and professional in all aspects of a pilots life.

Originally Posted by GearUpHeadDown
The ALPA fanboy is back. We have 45 new planes and you are closing shop. How well did they serve you? If anything, they were a big reason why you’re shrinking drastically. Get over it.

Ok, go ahead and make personal attacks on me if that's all you have. I'm being served ok, by the way, nothing to get over. But the reason why this place is shrinking is because of the ineptitude of the CPAs negotiated by inc.

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You should have been gone a long time ago.. OO threw you a life line. Maybe if your great union cared more about you than their own interests it would have been different.

Expressjet was not going anywhere. At the time, xjt flew 244 aircraft for continental and there was no way that was going to go away. Just as delta didn't let republic nor pinnacle go away. And they had a lot less aircraft, collectively, flying for them. If it wasn't Skywest, it would've been someone else, probably, continental. This Skywest buyout had nothing to do with any union. If Skywest cared about their own employees, maybe things would be different. But they are fiduciary bound to their shareholders first. Something that a union provides their members.
Old 10-06-2017 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
The PPS is guaranteed....
And goes down the more pilots we add to the list.
Old 10-06-2017 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by AboveMins
They served us well until Inc came along and started mucking things up with the money losing contracts they negotiated for us, not to mention the buffoons they sent to Atlanta who knew nothing of running a lemonade stand, let alone an airline.
SkyWest did help bend you over on that contact. Ironic that they inherited it when they bought Expressjet. Karma.

But, Brad Holt was about the best COO in the industry. When he left I took it as a sign of your imminent demise.
Old 10-06-2017 | 03:13 PM
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Screw ExpressJet. Those airplanes belong at SkyWest. Just saying what everyone of us is thinking Trump-style.

All your base are belong to us. Kudos to anyone who understood the sci-fi reference there.
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