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Old 11-16-2017 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by HuntinFishin
That commuter policy you will have to use another benefit of union negotiation. Your welcome, again
I just took a poll of all 4500 SkyWest pilots and it was unanimous, no one cares what you think. The consensus was that you are a sad, pathetic, unhappy person and we feel sorry for you. Here's hoping you don't choke on your next interview. 👍👍👍
Old 11-16-2017 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
We dont have one because we dont have a max number of attendance violations tell discipline... sapa has said we don't want one tell it becomes a problem.. why put a “number” on violations when right now we dont have a number.. think of it from that prospective...
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Old 11-16-2017 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
45 new E175’s and 23 used 200’s. When SkyWest bought ASA and EJT they bothwere very heavy on the not owned aircraft. That ultimate hurt them...
They were already on the books.

Board "Chip, should we wait until you settle your pilot costs before ordering?"
Chip "ha ha. No. I've already sent the purchase order. The pilots will take what we give them. They always do"
Board "You sure?"
Chip "Totally. Don't forget I pay SAPA and they do as they are told!!!"
Board "Great job Chip. Party on the house boat still on today?"
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Old 11-16-2017 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by HuntinFishin
They don't have one? Really well sorry. I thought everyone had that something written in by now that kept them from taking an attendance hit if they could not commute in due to some unforeseen issue such as mx, or severe weather. Skywest really doesn't have that?
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Old 11-16-2017 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by domino
They were already on the books.

Board "Chip, should we wait until you settle your pilot costs before ordering?"
Chip "ha ha. No. I've already sent the purchase order. The pilots will take what we give them. They always do"
Board "You sure?"
Chip "Totally. Don't forget I pay SAPA and they do as they are told!!!"
Board "Great job Chip. Party on the house boat still on today?"
Chip "Yep. Don't forget to bring your own water!!"
Whatever. We have to stop *****ing about every damn thing. It's really annoying. Be happy that we got those planes and not somebody else.
Old 11-16-2017 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by HuntinFishin
That is a very logical perspective I can respect that. So there are no steps of discipline that are cumulative towards termination. If there is no number is the flip side that the company just as well could terminate on your first infraction? I they felt they wanted to could they? I doubt they would mind you , on just one infraction, but could they? Do you get any commuter hotels paid for like some other union regionals I have heard of.
Not trying to feed the fire here, my first post on APC, but this exactly! I was terminated... Well, "allowed to resign" for missing a commute. I did not miss a commute prior to that. They also questioned my sick calls that I had (3 legit calls in 8 months) stating I was unreliable. Kind of a bummer, I liked the SkyWest crews that I flew with but after that situation I came to realize real quick the importance of a commuter clause and or policy.
Old 11-16-2017 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
We dont have one because we dont have a max number of attendance violations tell discipline... sapa has said we don't want one tell it becomes a problem.. why put a “number” on violations when right now we dont have a number.. think of it from that prospective...

Right, like not wanting a scope clause until you need one. How has that worked out? Anyway, think of a contractual commuter policy as a set rule that each side knows ahead of time what each is required to do. No having to explain yourself to anyone after the fact and hope they aren’t having a constipation day. Commuter policy, you follow the rule, nothing happens, no explanations, life is good.

Originally Posted by HuntinFishin
That is a very logical perspective I can respect that. So there are no steps of discipline that are cumulative towards termination. If there is no number is the flip side that the company just as well could terminate on your first infraction? I they felt they wanted to could they? I doubt they would mind you , on just one infraction, but could they? Do you get any commuter hotels paid for like some other union regionals I have heard of.


All Skywest employees are at-will employees. They can theoretically show up to work everyday for ten years and the very next day, let them go.
Old 11-16-2017 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Fixnem2Flyinem
Not trying to feed the fire here, my first post on APC, but this exactly! I was terminated... Well, "allowed to resign" for missing a commute. I did not miss a commute prior to that. They also questioned my sick calls that I had (3 legit calls in 8 months) stating I was unreliable. Kind of a bummer, I liked the SkyWest crews that I flew with but after that situation I came to realize real quick the importance of a commuter clause and or policy.
There must be more to this story, I have missed a few commutes during my Skywest career, as long as I gave myself a couple options and it didn't happen too often, they handled it very well and even tried to positive space me if need be. I highly doubt they told you to resign for 1 missed commute. During probation I had 11 days missed and they told me good job.
Old 11-16-2017 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
We dont have one because we dont have a max number of attendance violations tell discipline... sapa has said we don't want one tell it becomes a problem.. why put a “number” on violations when right now we dont have a number.. think of it from that prospective...
On the other hand, this gives management the ability to crush outspoken people and look the other way at the one's they like. Call out management on something that is wrong or something that could be done better and now miss a couple of trips because you commute, you could easily be terminated as a result.

And while SAPA has some very good people among it's ranks, it's leader doesn't fly and is out of touch with the rank and file and has but one key objective. When the VP of Ops says our president is the best he's worked with, that tells me we are not being adequately represented. The fact that management hated MM told me he was doing his job, and well!

With no policy, management can do what ever they want to the pilots.

Oh wait, they all ready do.....

And I've been here long enough to have seen it!
Old 11-16-2017 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Broncofan
There must be more to this story, I have missed a few commutes during my Skywest career, as long as I gave myself a couple options and it didn't happen too often, they handled it very well and even tried to positive space me if need be. I highly doubt they told you to resign for 1 missed commute. During probation I had 11 days missed and they told me good job.
The missed commute resulted in a flight crew cancellation since they had zero coverage for a standup. I also lived in PDX and was based in SEA, they were mad because I didn't drive. Honest answer, I was too low on cash for gas money and the flights looked good. That drive gets spendy when you do it multiple times a week. The Delta flight that was operated by SkyWest left me at the gate with available seats because I wouldn't pay 200 dollars to ride in the back, another glitch SkyWest had that they didn't seem to care about during my meeting with management. The next Skywest CRJ was delayed because of MX. QX filled up in the time I was waiting, so four flights that I planned for fell through. I ended up in Seattle an hour after my show on a SkyWest CRJ and they had already cancelled..

SAPA guys were not all that happy about it, tried to fight it but the big wigs wanted me gone, or so I was told. Glad it worked out for you all those times though.

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