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Nevjets 11-16-2017 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Broncofan (Post 2467371)
There must be more to this story, I have missed a few commutes during my Skywest career, as long as I gave myself a couple options and it didn't happen too often, they handled it very well and even tried to positive space me if need be. I highly doubt they told you to resign for 1 missed commute. During probation I had 11 days missed and they told me good job.


He also said he had called in sick three times in the last 8 months. That seems to be the rest of the story.

Let me ask you this, how many flights is a couple of options? A couple sounds like two to me but is that really true? Will ALL chief pilots be ok with two options and no more? How much time before show is your second option supposed to arrive? Are you required to actively check weather a day or two ahead of time? Are you supposed to check for loads 24-36 hours ahead of time? Does commuter policy cover ground transportation and what are the unwritten rules for that? Will ALL cheif pilots rule uniformly for EVERYONE for all these questions?

Broncofan 11-16-2017 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Nevjets (Post 2467389)
He also said he had called in sick three times in the last 8 months. That seems to be the rest of the story.

Let me ask you this, how many flights is a couple of options? A couple sounds like two to me but is that really true? Will ALL chief pilots be ok with two options and no more? How much time before show is your second option supposed to arrive? Are you required to actively check weather a day or two ahead of time? Are you supposed to check for loads 24-36 hours ahead of time? Does commuter policy cover ground transportation and what are the unwritten rules for that? Will ALL cheif pilots rule uniformly for EVERYONE for all these questions?

Very good points. I'm no longer at SkyWest but while I was there R.G. in Denver was my chief pilot. Maybe things were more laxed back then compared to now. I missed one commute and he told me no biggie after I showed him I tried for 2 flights that would arrive an hour prior to show. He said keep doing that and he won't have an issue as long as it's not happening every week. But again with no contract that could just be his rule vs other CP's.

WesternSkies 11-16-2017 01:08 PM

Sorry about the termination. Probation?

I’ve had worse stats and give myself one flight typically.

Even flight attendants miss commutes.

amcnd 11-16-2017 01:08 PM

If anyone says they were “fired” there is more to the story.. last guys that were truly terminated was a stall and had multiple issues before that event.. if your saying you got “offered” to resign.. then you had other performance issues and were under 1 year at OO.. ask Sapa why we dont have a commuter clause... they insist were better off right now..

Fixnem2Flyinem 11-16-2017 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2467418)
If anyone says they were “fired” there is more to the story.. last guys that were truly terminated was a stall and had multiple issues before that event.. if your saying you got “offered” to resign.. then you had other performance issues and were under 1 year at OO.. ask Sapa why we dont have a commuter clause... they insist were better off right now..

Well thank you for telling me that I must be lying or am a crap pilot, but I can assure you there were no other performance issues that I showed while there, no training issues and no commuting issues prior. Just the sick calls that were in my book legitimate sick calls. I get that a lot when I explain my situation, "there has to be more to the story?". I wish there was, so that way it would have made sense to me. Just thought I'd share the story since everyone seems to defend the no commuter clause at an airline where one is pretty much guaranteed to have to commute for a period of time, whether that's a bid or two or a year or two.

Nevjets 11-16-2017 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2467418)
If anyone says they were “fired” there is more to the story.. last guys that were truly terminated was a stall and had multiple issues before that event.. if your saying you got “offered” to resign.. then you had other performance issues and were under 1 year at OO.. ask Sapa why we dont have a commuter clause... they insist were better off right now..


Wait, sapa says there is a good reason for no commuter clause yet they won’t disclose the reason?

Again, can you answer any of the questions I asked earlier? Does every cheif pilot in the system use the same exact criteria when determining a pilot’s fate? And how can anyone be assured of that unless there is a contractual commuter policy?

amcnd 11-16-2017 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Nevjets (Post 2467444)
Wait, sapa says there is a good reason for no commuter clause yet they won’t disclose the reason?

Again, can you answer any of the questions I asked earlier? Does every cheif pilot in the system use the same exact criteria when determining a pilot’s fate? And how can anyone be assured of that unless there is a contractual commuter policy?

Everything goes through TG. Honestly. The west coast chief just got sent back to the line. He was one of the ones less favorable...

Tippy 11-16-2017 02:12 PM

His termination was directly from T.G. he wanted to make an example out of someone. Have also heard from the west coast chief in his opinion "7 missed days in a year should be grounds for termination"

Broncofan 11-16-2017 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Tippy (Post 2467469)
His termination was directly from T.G. he wanted to make an example out of someone. Have also heard from the west coast chief in his opinion "7 missed days in a year should be grounds for termination"

Wow that's pretty incredible that essentially missing 2 trips a year is grounds for termination.

Fixnem2Flyinem 11-16-2017 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Tippy (Post 2467469)
His termination was directly from T.G. he wanted to make an example out of someone. Have also heard from the west coast chief in his opinion "7 missed days in a year should be grounds for termination"

I wasn't going to say it, but yes TG was the one who wanted me to go. My BCP was not any help in the situation, all around not a good experience. I was told AFTER I turned in my badge and all my CASS bennies to find a way to St George and pretty much beg TG for my job back, because he's an understanding guy... That's where I drew the line and said no thanks, at that point I had already talked to other airlines and found employment elsewhere. I was on the horn with SAPA throughout the whole process. Great guys as well, just an unfortunate outcome. I am very very lucky that this happened now, and not 10 years ago because that would have been all she wrote on my airline career. In fact I'm sure I'll be a regional lifer now, explaining that story will be quite the headwind at a major interview down the road

SkyWest is a great place that has great crews and the training is top notch, just be careful if you're a commuter. The lack of any union protection and the "mood" of management on a daily basis is not a good thing IMHO. Just my .02. I'm now returning to my lurker status before I get trolled by the obvious people in this community


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