Reality Check
08-01-2019, 05:23 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 947
Originally Posted by barabek
1st year - mid 80s
2nd year - 120s
3rd year - 150s
That's living in a base, aiming at 110 TFP a month (16-18 days off on average). Numbers exclude 401k or profit sharing. Working extra gets increasingly harder and more competitive, so don't expect too much extra as a new hire until MAX is back.
2nd year - 120s
3rd year - 150s
That's living in a base, aiming at 110 TFP a month (16-18 days off on average). Numbers exclude 401k or profit sharing. Working extra gets increasingly harder and more competitive, so don't expect too much extra as a new hire until MAX is back.
New hires: Plan on guarantee. Don’t budget on what the average is, since that can change and isn’t codified anywhere in the CBA.
08-01-2019, 05:45 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 588
Originally Posted by Zard
What lines are you flying that average 7.3-8.6 tfp/day nowadays? Reserve with a decent amount of move up?
New hires: Plan on guarantee. Don’t budget on what the average is, since that can change and isn’t codified anywhere in the CBA.
New hires: Plan on guarantee. Don’t budget on what the average is, since that can change and isn’t codified anywhere in the CBA.
That being said, I’m still getting rerouted on at least half of my trips with move up. I had a 19.5 3day pay about 35tfp recently. Maybe I’ve just be lucky (or unlucky depending on your viewpoint). Personally, I like move-ups
08-01-2019, 06:05 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 353
Originally Posted by Zard
What lines are you flying that average 7.3-8.6 tfp/day nowadays? Reserve with a decent amount of move up?
New hires: Plan on guarantee. Don’t budget on what the average is, since that can change and isn’t codified anywhere in the CBA.
New hires: Plan on guarantee. Don’t budget on what the average is, since that can change and isn’t codified anywhere in the CBA.
08-01-2019, 08:28 PM
#26
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Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 289
Originally Posted by Psycho18th
Did you read post #3? Straight from the contract, and a good way to budget.
08-01-2019, 08:36 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 659
Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing
Per Diem “is not” income. Not sure why so many on APC like to believe it is. In today’s environment it’s gonna be a little hard to get 15-16 days off a month with 110 TFP as a new hire.
08-01-2019, 09:28 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 252
Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing
Per Diem “is not” income. Not sure why so many on APC like to believe it is. In today’s environment it’s gonna be a little hard to get 15-16 days off a month with 110 TFP as a new hire.
Per diem goes into the bank account, where you choose how it’s spent, thus it is income. I personally spend mine on chicken quesadillas and beer the couple nights a month I get to the hotel before the bar closes. First year, the beers are usually free, so you can tip the van driver more than a buck on occasion.
08-02-2019, 10:20 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 33
Originally Posted by barabek
... I admit it's becoming harder and harder. Boeing is to blame ...
08-02-2019, 10:51 AM
#30
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,603
Originally Posted by PolishFlyerDude
The Boeing MAX grounding is not to blame. It’s exacerbating the manning situation that has been developing over the last couple of years. Before the MAX grounding occurred, manning numbers had been increasing for quite some time from the historical level of ~10.5:1 up to something like 12.5:1 or 13:1 now. What is driving the manning levels skyward was not triggered by the MAX. There’s lots of speculation as to why management decided to increase the manning but it was in play well before the MAX grounding.
Who’s ever in charge of manning needs to be $7!tcanned. Completely asinine.
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