It's all ready floating out there in lounges and cockpits now.

Upcoming recession. $150 barrel oil. Sprontier. Tribalism. Our family doesn't need another distraction right now, we need to keep our eyes on the prize of luggage protection, uniform cost equities, and the doordash app.

Focus.​​​​

 

Caveman, I wish you were joking. We are a special bunch.

“can’t believe they pay me to do this!”

 

This reminds me a lot of the Colgan crash & 1500 hour rule. Each side of the argument seemed to be arguing past each other. To the side that blames the pilots:

It's easy to assume American pilots are better airmen. While overall I do think we have more pilots who are better at hand flying, we absolutely have our share of pilots who would have a rough day flying a plane without an AP. We also have plenty of crashes in our history caused by pilot error. Very few airplane crashes are blamed solely on the pilots. Even crashes that were largely caused by piloting mistakes often result in procedure changes, new regulations, or even new design standards. Our industry is supposed to be error-tolerant, not error-proof. The only thing similar to an MCAS failure I can think of is an engine failure at V1. Both of those require very specific procedures to be followed in a short period of time or the aircraft ends up in an uncontrollable state. As a result, we put a lot of emphasis on practicing V1 cuts, have a lot of certification standards associated with a V1 cut, and our takeoff profile is built around that failure. Despite all of the attention we place on this, people still screw it up in training. Is it really that surprising that some pilots will mishandle an equally difficult failure that we barely train for?

And even if pilots were 100% to blame, you would have to ignore the horrible culture and decision-making processes at Boeing that these accidents uncovered. There is lot's of blame to go around for these accidents. The pilots messed up, but so did Boeing.

 

That’s all valid, but I still think an FO with 361 total hours (207 in the 737) had no business being there.

 

Dont forget diversity.

 

But what about the CLIMATE?!?

 

The documentary left out a couple key pieces: The Ethiopian Air crew left the power at mil so they couldn’t pitch up at 500 knots and the 200 hour FO turned the problem back on as a result.

 

They were probably trimmed for M1.6, the only way to out was to keep the power up to reach trim speed and pull up.

/s

 

38% will vote for anything. I agree with the 84. This pilot group is pathetic and loves voting in lagging contracts.

 

Things will be different this time! You'll see!! The 1,221 and SWAPA 2.0 and stuff!!! And a pilot shortage!!!!!

Ya, I'm jaded. I really do hope it is different this time. But having seen this pilot group in action over many years, I've learned SAIEW is how it goes around here.