Government is never the good guy.

And Boeing isn't really a free-market company. They do a lot of economic rent-seeking, and get lots of handouts and subsidies from the government.

 

so, your mind was already made up before the film is released

 

Except that’s not the whole story. Multiple times it was mentioned Boeing had lobbyists and paid off politicians from both sides of the aisle pushing their agenda before, during, and after the crash(s).

In a real free market, Boeing would be done, you got caught cutting corners, hiding and firing anyone with safety concerns. Game over, thanks for playing. But they’re protected by the state via bought out politicians/regulators.

List any of the most successful companies in the country, they all have lobbyists.

 

Of course that’s not the whole story, I’m talking only about sonic flyer’s knee-jerk reaction to watching half of a trailer for a film that isn’t out yet

 

I’m sad to say I have to agree with this.
In addition as the “Regulator” the FAA has a lot of culpability here.

 

Well, that's the real issue. The far-right will always say "But in a real free market, X wouldn't happen." So what's a real free market? No FAA oversight? How would Boeing get caught cutting corners if the federal government wasn't defining those corners? In a real free market, there wouldn't be an FAA to enforce or establish commercial airline standards. Anyone could start making a jet and sell it to anyone who felt like operating an airline. That company would have to establish a reputation of building quality safe aircraft to succeed. Except, in reality, their customers (the airlines) want an efficient airplane that is safe enough. As economic pressures build, the "safe enough" standard slips.

I think the 737MAX issue would have happened in free market anyway. Boeing was designing an airplane that was cheap for airlines to operate. It was in both Boeing's interest and the airlines for the 737MAX not to need additional training. Everyone was happy to look the other way. And the final argument for a real free market is that the public would punish these bad actors by not giving them business. The world is way too complicated for the general public to keep track of these issues. No one cares about the MAX anymore. At most, people might say, "Is this the plane that had the problem?" By that point, they bought their ticket and boarded the plane.

 

Come on buddy, all for having a good debate, but to start off calling me “far-right” like a little puppet who just got done watching a 1 hour segment of Rachel Maddow unloading on all her insecurities isn’t the way.

We need to have regulations, but we have far surpassed the idea of a mostly free market with regulations.

I would argue we’re worse than a true “free market economy (zero regulation)”. Boeing’s CEO walked away from his incompetence with a golden parachute worth $62 million.

 

No but I try not to pollute my mind with propaganda if I can avoid it.

But that's also why I'm throwing the idea out there in these threads, because if I am wrong and it isn't some sort of anti-free market propaganda, and is fairly accurate and neutral, then yes of course I'll watch it. So far I haven't seen a convincing argument that it is watchable.

Now that also being said, most film trailers these days suck and are not an accurate portrayal of the film. Just like junk mail's letter markings are not indicative of what's inside; it's designed to get the mail opened. Trailers are meant to get people to watch the film whether the trailer is an accurate reflection of the film or not.

So if someone can say with a straight face that this documentary is accurate and isn't a bunch of lefty propaganda then yeah I'll watch it.

 

I wasn't directly referring to you. There are some pilots who think the industry would be in a better place if there was no FAA.

But to your point, how would the free market prevent this problem? To me, the 737MAX issue is a case of poor regulation and oversight. What's the free market solution?

 

The fundamental reason Boeing was trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip with the MAX was because a clean sheet design was prohibitively expensive. Why? Because of over regulation. If it didn't cost so much in regulations to bring a new airframe to market, then the MAX wouldn't have had to augment it's flight characteristics with a computer to compensate for bad aerodynamics.