Wait, what?
01-29-2023 | 04:02 PM
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Worse yet, at least half of those that I fly with are not engaged or informed. They’re in La La Land. You’d think they worked for a different company in a different profession. It’s not frustrating, it’s downright MADDENING!
01-29-2023 | 04:04 PM
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
I'd rather be here than most any other place. Until your CP calls you and tells you to unring a fatigue call and finish what scheduling told you to do....don't give me that BS about last tier airline. People are frustrated and ****ed and rightfully so....but you're insane if you think we're a bottom feeding airline.
01-29-2023 | 04:28 PM
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It wasn't industry bottom when it was ratified. Our work rules are still near the top of the industry. Pay is lagging now , but everyone else ratified after we did. This go around, everyone else ratified before us so if we vote in lagging rates....it's on us. I was new in 2016 and didn't know our disability was as bad as it is....it was better than the regional I came from (we didn't have any) and nobody bothered to tell me otherwise. This go around, they're gonna have to pay up if they want my vote and to keep butts in seats.
01-29-2023 | 04:57 PM
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It wasn't industry bottom when it was ratified. Our work rules are still near the top of the industry. Pay is lagging now , but everyone else ratified after we did. This go around, everyone else ratified before us so if we vote in lagging rates....it's on us. I was new in 2016 and didn't know our disability was as bad as it is....it was better than the regional I came from (we didn't have any) and nobody bothered to tell me otherwise. This go around, they're gonna have to pay up if they want my vote and to keep butts in seats.
And it’s also about the ability to achieve a truly industry-leading contract - not just an industry-leading narrow body contract. We have the leverage available to us if we want to use it to achieve the best pilot contract in the world, bar none and without caveats like “narrow body” or “LCC” or “passenger airline.”
The SWAPA execs and important committee members will have the exact same SWAPA gravy train to ride for themselves as long as they want to regardless of what we ratify.
Really, for Casey and the SWAPA execs and committee people, they’re more like in the position of the mediator than actually trying to get the best possible contract. If they get an agreement, any agreement, that has a few flashy improvements and no Tumi bag attached to it, they win because it will pass as long as they say “best we can do.” At that point, their job is done and their SWAPA gravy train is secured for the rest of their careers. They will look like heroes just like Weaks did for quite a while after the current contract was ratified and before people realized how lacking it is.
In that way, the SWAPA execs and committee guys are in a position kind of similar to the mediator’s of just wanting to get an agreement, any agreement, signed.
Lots of signals have been coming out out that those of us who want an industry leading contract are going to be disappointed. Obviously, I hope I’m wrong, but…
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01-29-2023 | 06:09 PM
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It’s about so much more than rates.
And it’s also about the ability to achieve a truly industry-leading contract - not just an industry-leading narrow body contract. We have the leverage available to us if we want to use it to achieve the best pilot contract in the world, bar none and without caveats like “narrow body” or “LCC” or “passenger airline.”
The SWAPA execs and important committee members will have the exact same SWAPA gravy train to ride for themselves as long as they want to regardless of what we ratify.
Really, for Casey and the SWAPA execs and committee people, they’re more like in the position of the mediator than actually trying to get the best possible contract. If they get an agreement, any agreement, that has a few flashy improvements and no Tumi bag attached to it, they win because it will pass as long as they say “best we can do.” At that point, their job is done and their SWAPA gravy train is secured for the rest of their careers. They will look like heroes just like Weaks did for quite a while after the current contract was ratified and before people realized how lacking it is.
In that way, the SWAPA execs and committee guys are in a position kind of similar to the mediator’s of just wanting to get an agreement, any agreement, signed.
Lots of signals have been coming out out that those of us who want an industry leading contract are going to be disappointed. Obviously, I hope I’m wrong, but…
And it’s also about the ability to achieve a truly industry-leading contract - not just an industry-leading narrow body contract. We have the leverage available to us if we want to use it to achieve the best pilot contract in the world, bar none and without caveats like “narrow body” or “LCC” or “passenger airline.”
The SWAPA execs and important committee members will have the exact same SWAPA gravy train to ride for themselves as long as they want to regardless of what we ratify.
Really, for Casey and the SWAPA execs and committee people, they’re more like in the position of the mediator than actually trying to get the best possible contract. If they get an agreement, any agreement, that has a few flashy improvements and no Tumi bag attached to it, they win because it will pass as long as they say “best we can do.” At that point, their job is done and their SWAPA gravy train is secured for the rest of their careers. They will look like heroes just like Weaks did for quite a while after the current contract was ratified and before people realized how lacking it is.
In that way, the SWAPA execs and committee guys are in a position kind of similar to the mediator’s of just wanting to get an agreement, any agreement, signed.
Lots of signals have been coming out out that those of us who want an industry leading contract are going to be disappointed. Obviously, I hope I’m wrong, but…
01-30-2023 | 12:58 AM
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I don’t disagree. Since the vast majority of airlines, legacy to regionals will have new contracts before we get a TA, I’ll be looking for a comparison similar to what we got in 2019 to compare vs OAL’s. If it’s concessionary, I’ll vote to send it back. If it meets or exceeds everything I’m wanting, I’ll vote yes. Definitely not looking just at rates…
Don’t expect to much. Remember it is like squeezing a balloon, or cutting a piece of pie . We have psychic wages, SWA pilots need to decide what they are willing to give up, if they want anything new or extra on the contract .
01-30-2023 | 03:16 AM
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Casually mentioned by a BOD rep OTOF is the fact that our three SWAPA executives (President, VP, and Second VP) all had dinner recently with BoJo and A-Watt.
Huh? What the fudge? Come again?
Is this a gateway to salmon fishing trips to Alaska?
Was this an opportunity to work some good ol’ boy Texas magic on our SWAPA leadership?
Is it simply a coincidence that this dinner occurred and then SWAPA is talking about “A Shift”?
The smoke signals (another example: how very little our SWAPA execs and committee members have flown over the last many years) coming out of Empire Central are not looking promising. They’re looking industry-lagging - again.
Huh? What the fudge? Come again?
Is this a gateway to salmon fishing trips to Alaska?
Was this an opportunity to work some good ol’ boy Texas magic on our SWAPA leadership?
Is it simply a coincidence that this dinner occurred and then SWAPA is talking about “A Shift”?
The smoke signals (another example: how very little our SWAPA execs and committee members have flown over the last many years) coming out of Empire Central are not looking promising. They’re looking industry-lagging - again.
01-30-2023 | 04:09 AM
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From: American Airlines Brake Pad Replacement Technician
Vs
SWAPA Thinks For Me, mindlessly stamps Yes in everything the Union does
Which group of 10k pilots you want to be a part of depends .
On SAV day, group 2 for sure
But to get to that point, you must encourage independent critical thought.
01-30-2023 | 06:25 AM
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Being an open critic of his Union, independent thinker
Vs
SWAPA Thinks For Me, mindlessly stamps Yes in everything the Union does
Which group of 10k pilots you want to be a part of depends .
On SAV day, group 2 for sure
But to get to that point, you must encourage independent critical thought.
Vs
SWAPA Thinks For Me, mindlessly stamps Yes in everything the Union does
Which group of 10k pilots you want to be a part of depends .
On SAV day, group 2 for sure
But to get to that point, you must encourage independent critical thought.
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