Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ

This conversation was had last time. "We" voted in a turd. It was had in 2008. "We" voted in a turd. It's going to happen this time too. It might be a smaller turd (maybe), but it will be a turd.

For yourself, without relying on any one source, try to evaluate what true inflation is. Look at the difference in how it was calculated in say the 70s compared to now. Decide for yourself which products or services should be a real indicator of inflation over the last 4 years. Then when the turd comes out, you can decide whether we got a raise, kept up with inflation, or agreed to reduced buying power.

Then look at the work rules. If you're an AMer, you will likely benefit from LCO. If you're a PMer, you will likely NOT benefit from it compared to love up. Will you be getting screwed by the Co-Terminal language? Or will those sprinkles add to your sprinkle covered turd?

Will you finally have standard or better language for meals, hotels, red eyes, uniforms, parking, medicals? How about the big ones? Disability? NEC? NEC while out on disability? Life insurance?

Will you still be doing the FAs job of checking the GD girt bars? Then will you wait for them to go to the hotel because "that's the way we do it here!"

Come back to this post when you see the turd. If every one of these things (plus whatever I missed) is addressed properly, I'll come back and eat crow. If not, I DAMN WILL remind you all next time (my last time) we negotiate. And I'll tell you again, it's gonna be a turd. It's the way we do things here.

Originally Posted by Traffic Alert

so in other words.. nothing prevents FO’s from doing it. Vans run on a schedule usually and Capt can get mad all they want. No reason to wait 30 minutes so they can do a pretend check. If enough do it, maybe that will change?

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

You haven’t even seen what’s in the new TA. Hell, we don’t even have one yet. Give it a rest already for 🤬’s sake. Jesus….

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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

Still haven't quite finished that copy of "How To Win Friends and Influence People" I see... 😘

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

You haven’t even seen what’s in the new TA. Hell, we don’t even have one yet. Give it a rest already for 🤬’s sake. Jesus….

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Originally Posted by Busch

I think some of these guys might be plants using reverse psychology. Pushing the idea of a turd, so when we eventually see the TA we perceive it as not a turd but pretty good. When in fact it was a turd and the company wins again.

Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

Did you not read what the SWAPA VP put out about co-terminals?

Did you not read what the SWAPA reps put out about the hotel section?

I will of course evaluate the language when I see it..... but it already smells like a turd based on what the union has said.

And your argument can easily be flipped around. No one should be encouraging yes votes because "You haven’t even seen what’s in the new TA. Hell, we don’t even have one yet. Give it a rest already for 🤬’s sake. Jesus…."


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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

Point to where I (or anyone else did that matter) encouraged a YES vote.

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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

You have to choose a side.


Anyone who tries to stifle those who speak out against a company offer is working AGAINST the pilot group.


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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

You have to choose a side.


Anyone who tries to stifle those who speak out against a company offer is working AGAINST the pilot group.


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