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Privateer89 01-20-2024 03:24 AM

This is what happens when the media and politicians get involved. Every airliner I’ve ever flown has had AD’s or weaknesses related to a crash scenario. In 1380 it was a fan blade that flew off and punctured the fuselage. Hard to imagine how a piece of cowl could do the same.

Cant be that hard to at least put a scratch pad message to draw pilot’s attention. “EAI has been on for 5 minutes.” Similar to the above 10 degrees one.

once this door plug issue is resolved and the noise dies down, I think we’ll see what happens. Could be worse. For once it isn’t SWA with 20% of its fleet grounded while waiting for a response.

nene 01-20-2024 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by Privateer89 (Post 3755650)
This is what happens when the media and politicians get involved. Every airliner I’ve ever flown has had AD’s or weaknesses related to a crash scenario. In 1380 it was a fan blade that flew off and punctured the fuselage. Hard to imagine how a piece of cowl could do the same.

Cant be that hard to at least put a scratch pad message to draw pilot’s attention. “EAI has been on for 5 minutes.” Similar to the above 10 degrees one.

once this door plug issue is resolved and the noise dies down, I think we’ll see what happens. Could be worse. For once it isn’t SWA with 20% of its fleet grounded while waiting for a response.

Fact remains that a plane like the 767 developed (by Boeing even) in the 70s has AUTO engine anti ice yet Boeing has a product developed in the 2000s that needs to be babysat like a rambunctious toddler.

MudhammedCJ 01-20-2024 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3755669)
Fact remains that a plane like the 767 developed (by Boeing even) in the 70s has AUTO engine anti ice yet Boeing has a product developed in the 2000s that needs to be babysat like a rambunctious toddler.

Is auto anti ice an option on the Max? It would make sense that our fearless leaders opted out to save a buck.

ZapBrannigan 01-20-2024 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ (Post 3755705)
Is auto anti ice an option on the Max? It would make sense that our fearless leaders opted out to save a buck.

Unfortunately with our toggle switch overhead (as opposed to push button/dark cockpit) and no ice detector... no, it's not an option on Boeing's steampunk jalopy.

hoover 01-20-2024 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ (Post 3755705)
Is auto anti ice an option on the Max? It would make sense that our fearless leaders opted out to save a buck.

it has auto core ice protection but the coals have to be turned on. Tells me cowl ice isnt that big of a deal, maybe

e6bpilot 01-20-2024 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 3755730)
it has auto core ice protection but the coals have to be turned on. Tells me cowl ice isnt that big of a deal, maybe

At least in the CFMs, I have seen the results of ice shedding from the fan blades and spinner. It completely destroys the inner acoustic panels surrounding the fan.
I have never seen any sort of bad cowl ice, but I am sure a massive hunk of it going through the core wouldn't be good.

This whole thing is a whatever from me. Already over 1,500 max airplanes flying around with the exact same issue. They shouldn't hold up certification for the same issue that hundreds of thousands of folks are already flying around with.

CaptTX 01-20-2024 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3755669)
Fact remains that a plane like the 767 developed (by Boeing even) in the 70s has AUTO engine anti ice yet Boeing has a product developed in the 2000s that needs to be babysat like a rambunctious toddler.

I flew 767s with auto anti-ice. It doesn't work very well.

rickair7777 01-20-2024 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3755759)
This whole thing is a whatever from me. Already over 1,500 max airplanes flying around with the exact same issue. They shouldn't hold up certification for the same issue that hundreds of thousands of folks are already flying around with.

Bureaucrats will be concerned with optics in light of BCA's latest goof. Granting more waivers and favors won't be a good look. Can't say that I blame them really.

e6bpilot 01-20-2024 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3755823)
Bureaucrats will be concerned with optics in light of BCA's latest goof. Granting more waivers and favors won't be a good look. Can't say that I blame them really.

Yep. Nobody trusts Boeing enough to put their name on the dotted line. Still...why not ground the whole fleet then?

hoover 01-20-2024 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3755759)
At least in the CFMs, I have seen the results of ice shedding from the fan blades and spinner. It completely destroys the inner acoustic panels surrounding the fan.
I have never seen any sort of bad cowl ice, but I am sure a massive hunk of it going through the core wouldn't be good.

This whole thing is a whatever from me. Already over 1,500 max airplanes flying around with the exact same issue. They shouldn't hold up certification for the same issue that hundreds of thousands of folks are already flying around with.

exactly. How many millions of hrs are on these without an issue


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