Door has nothing to do with the cowl ice issue. That’s an issue with the production line…if the FAA wants to get nitpicky with the production line…go for it….the people making the planes have nothing to do with the certification process.

If they don’t want to certify a variant with a possible anti-ice issue that’s unresolved….that’s fine. Boeing has its issues, but when you fly the -7 and use its data to recertify the -8…and the -7 still isn’t certified…you’re dealing with a clown show.

I don’t even think the cowl issue is a big deal…possible issue in certain temp range and nobody has ever had an issue in the 4-5 years it’s been flying. 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

Dude, can you not see that after the door blew off that Boeing came under extreme FAA scrutiny, so much so that they withdrew their request of a waiver for the anti-ice system on the Max7? It's pretty simple logic.

 

do you think each issue is resolved in a vacuum?

 

The issue with the TAI is ridiculous, but it has been identified and barring an easy fix (which doesn't look like it exists), the Feds aren't going to let it go. Boeing knows that and that's why they said they are just going to engineer a permanent fix and withdrew their application for an exemption. Every airplane has issues like this one. Most are fixed with some sort of service bulletin at their next heavy check or specified interval, but Boeing has used all of their hall passes and the Feds aren't going to go easy on them any more with this particular airframe.
We have, I think or at least hope, stretched the late stage capitalism, "let the free markets decide", anti-regulatory rubber band as far as it will go and are headed back in the right direction. As much as pilots detest the feds, corporations like Boeing and the airlines have made it clear that they cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Greed ultimately wins the day and you end up where we are now, with a 50 something year old airframe still being produced that was certified with almost zero regulatory oversight and by a company that consistently chooses short term profits over long term sustainable aircraft production and safety. I don't think history is going to treat this era kindly. Boeing has no domestic competitors left and is being propped up by the government. They have a legal monopoly and now we get to deal with the consequences. Decades of prioritizing profits over their products and people with loose oversight has resulted in exactly what we have now.

 

I know why the request was withdrawn. But the two things aren’t remotely related. It’s just the FAA doing political BS to create the appearance of Big Brother taking action…

 

Many things can be true. They probably have nothing to do with each other. The FAA is trying to show that they're being a good watch dog.

But where there's smoke there's likely fire and there have been a multitude of regulatory concerns at Boeing and an even greater multitude of production quality issues, not just with the MAX. And there have been many articles about how the FAA shirked its duties.

After a while, you stop trusting that your baby won't just throw their toy on the ground as soon as you give it to them, and you just stop giving them the toy.

 

Don’t disagree with that. I think you can have greater oversight without kicking the can down the road in re:certification. You can reduce production rates and have inspectors doing surprise inspections until QC meets govt approval. You can also certify a variant thats been in operation for years. All a moot point since Boeing withdrew the appeal…. Their C-suite needs to give Wall Streeg the finger and invest in making sure they quit staying out of the news.

 

You went from not knowing the connection to downplaying the connection that everyone else seems to think is valid.

It's okay to be wrong occasionally. Eat your crow and move on.

 

Then only connection is Boeing’s production line issues causing FAA to squirm. One still has nothing to do with the other on paper as they’re different planes. Only matters when you look at the company from a wide angle lens. If -8’s and -9’s have never had an icing issue, I’d say the likelihood of the -7 having none is nil. It’s just the FAA puffing out their chest and telling the kids to go to their room.

 

The FAA hadn't said anything about the -7 and it's anti-icing issues before Boeing retracted its request for relief. They backed down after public outcry from Senators on the transportation committee voicing their opposition to any further relief by the FAA. Smartly, Boeing pulled the request.

The FAA probably hadn't even considered it.