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Old 01-21-2026 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mulcher
He also said at least twice Den wouldn’t shrink anymore. He even stated it was going to grow back. Then further cuts. He knows what we do. I like him be he isn’t on the inside.
Ain't that the truth. I was in the office the day after the news dropped about the March cuts and the phones were ringing off the hook....they got the same notice we did. I'd assume there's some terminal expansion plans out there somewhere like someone posed on here about AUS, but I'm too lazy to try and find it.
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Old 01-21-2026 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DAnnunzio
SAN and SMF should be bases already.
I could see closing OAK and opening SMF. I think SAN looks good on paper....until the rwy is closed or they're landing 9 and turns that airport into a parking lot. IMO, not smart to have a single runway airport as a major airline base...which means they'll do it...because Alaska did. I think SAN might actually help fix some displacements out west though. MCI or STL would help thin the displacement list too.
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Old 01-21-2026 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
I could see closing OAK and opening SMF. I think SAN looks good on paper....until the rwy is closed or they're landing 9 and turns that airport into a parking lot. IMO, not smart to have a single runway airport as a major airline base...which means they'll do it...because Alaska did. I think SAN might actually help fix some displacements out west though. MCI or STL would help thin the displacement list too.
SAN is far more operationally reliable than many bases other airlines have.

If they are closing any base, I’m sure it will be ATL. It’s doing an important job serving as a containment zone for acquired pilots at the moment
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Old 01-21-2026 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Jamie Baker is perhaps the most feared, respected, and correct airline analyst in the business. He just upgraded SWA based on information that he has. This airline, despite its issues, is poised to be swimming in free cash, which is the first step in expanding and doing new and better things to increase those cash levers.

We aren't Spirit. We aren't shrinking. We aren't closing Denver. We just went through one of the most depressing and soul cleansing purges in the company's history brought on by the Gary Kelly induced Christmas meltdown. We are fully on the other side of that now. Not saying we are going to rule the world or look out Delta, just saying that we are poised to return to historical profitability by doing the things that we should have been doing for a very long time.

The doom and gloom here is beyond ridiculous. Yeah, there's some items we need to clean up in our own house, but give it some effing time and let the process take place.
This thread is about the vacancy bid. Giving some time would be much easier if the corporation did more for those immediately affected by displacements, ie PS commuting and hotels, etc.

Yes seniority counts, but someday those who are displaced across country will be leading the charge and you want all pilots to feel connected and not forgotten.
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Old 01-21-2026 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
Ain't that the truth. I was in the office the day after the news dropped about the March cuts and the phones were ringing off the hook....they got the same notice we did. I'd assume there's some terminal expansion plans out there somewhere like someone posed on here about AUS, but I'm too lazy to try and find it.
Oh it’s expanding. He doesn’t know who the gates are for. AA may want more.
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Old 01-21-2026 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
This thread is about the vacancy bid. Giving some time would be much easier if the corporation did more for those immediately affected by displacements, ie PS commuting and hotels, etc.

Yes seniority counts, but someday those who are displaced across country will be leading the charge and you want all pilots to feel connected and not forgotten.
The kompany is going to do jack and sh!t about the displacements simply because we as a group settled for exactly that. This is an unprecedented situation. Nobody saw it coming. Expecting grace and goodwill where none is demanded in writing is foolish. The company simply doesn't care. We did this to ourselves. I don't mean to be a jerk about it, just trying to set expectations.

1. The company doesn't care about you.
2. At least half of the pilot group is so busy counting their own money that they don't even know there is an issue.

Go down to the Orlando pilot lounge on a sit sometime and strike up a conversation with one of the guys hovering around looking for free pbj sandwiches. It's eye opening.

Nobody is coming to anyone's rescue. The only solution is patience. We have 900 new hires coming to fill the void.

Next contract I will advocate to make this situation so painful for the company that they won't be able to do it. I am senior enough that it doesn't affect me, but I care about the young and unborn SWA babies. I did the same with new hire and junior FO pay and reserve improvements. Didn't benefit me in the least.

Until then...
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Old 01-21-2026 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
The kompany is going to do jack and sh!t about the displacements simply because we as a group settled for exactly that. This is an unprecedented situation. Nobody saw it coming. Expecting grace and goodwill where none is demanded in writing is foolish. The company simply doesn't care. We did this to ourselves. I don't mean to be a jerk about it, just trying to set expectations.

1. The company doesn't care about you.
2. At least half of the pilot group is so busy counting their own money that they don't even know there is an issue.

Go down to the Orlando pilot lounge on a sit sometime and strike up a conversation with one of the guys hovering around looking for free pbj sandwiches. It's eye opening.

Nobody is coming to anyone's rescue. The only solution is patience. We have 900 new hires coming to fill the void.

Next contract I will advocate to make this situation so painful for the company that they won't be able to do it. I am senior enough that it doesn't affect me, but I care about the young and unborn SWA babies. I did the same with new hire and junior FO pay and reserve improvements. Didn't benefit me in the least.

Until then...
And new hire and jr FO was a SWA we sacrificed CA pay for. Those FOs will spend more time as a CA than 1-3 year FOs. That’s great!
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Old 01-21-2026 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mulcher
And new hire and jr FO was a SWA we sacrificed CA pay for. Those FOs will spend more time as a CA than 1-3 year FOs. That’s great!
Not going to rehash this argument. It’s done.
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Old 01-21-2026 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Not going to rehash this argument. It’s done.
Ha that’s funny.
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Old 01-21-2026 | 08:10 PM
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Ha that’s funny.
So short sighted.... should have been the last thing snapa negotiated.
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