Pineapple Guy

I agree -- if I were an AirTran F/O, I'd be putting my application in at DAL.

fullflank

Too much fear mongering by swapa because I think they know an arbitrator might not give them such a wind fall. Taking this to arbitration is simply the next step in the process agreement signed by all parties involved. Including swa.

johnso29

That's ok. Sometimes I hate myself!

bull

I think you would see the relatively junior (hired in the last few years) vote yes, but the mid/sr FOs cannot be happy with this. It would be interesting to see the make up of the merger committee. I wonder if it included any mid/sr FOs...

shoelu

There are no provisions governing a negotiated settlement between the two parties. If this passes the AT MEC, both sides will then vote the deal up or down.

SWA decides whether or not Guadlupe holdings operates AT separately or not, NOT SWAPA. As a matter of fact, SWAPA would have to sign away precious section 1 scope, which is by far industry leading, to allow the two groups to remain separate.

This is a negotiation in no way controlled by B/M or A/M. If we cannot negotiate a deal then we will see the provisions of B/M and A/M applied and take this to binding arbitration. If an arbitrated list is put out, it is just that, a list which must be used IF and WHEN the two groups are combined. I have no control over the IF and WHEN portion of this deal.

I have no idea what was said in negotiations by GK as to what SWA's course of action will be if this deal is not ratified. Only the parties involved have that info. I for one would like to know those details and will speak to the negotiators to find them out. I suggest all AT folks do the same because it certainly will influence my vote in this matter.

I have said it before and I will say it again. I expect my union to represent my interests in this SLI and do what ever is best for SWAPA, just as I expect ALPA to do the same. We were all dealt a hand in this game and each side is playing theirs to the best of their abilities. Sadly I never wanted to be dealt in, but my presence at the game is mandatory and the stakes are enormous. I expect nothing less than tournament level play from our negotiating committee. Sometimes it all boils down to who started the game with the best hand. That is how union negotiations work folks. Any of you that feel any different I suggest you recall all your representatives because I can guarantee they put these types of principles in practice every day on your behalf.

If I recall correctly TWA had no vote in their fate. The deal was negotiated then implemented. Had they passed the deal with majority ratification, I don't believe they would have won a lawsuit. This deal will only be implemented with a majority vote from both sides.

gloopy

Wait, they stapled the POOLIES?!?!?!?!?!


Oh the humanity!

1st overnite

I have no dog in this fight, but have friends at both companies. Hopefully nobody will get screwed with this, but usually someone does.

I may have missed the info in the thread, but I have a couple of questions.

-It looks like all A/T Capt keep their seat for 3 years, then what happens? Does an A/T Capt keep his seat forever and just has poor relative seniority for a long time?

- A senior A/T F/O bypasses upgrade for QOL. Now, he will have better relative seniority over junior A/T Capt and those SWA F/O's integrated below him, but has no chance of upgrading for 9+ years. Am I understanding this?

proletariatav8r

Better than what Delta did to the Northwest Poolies. Real class act that DAL. Don't know many carriers who did what they did. Even USA respected the pilots given class dates.

Pineapple Guy

Are you talking about what a panel of 3 independent arbitrators did? How do you blame DAL for that?

proletariatav8r

Yes. Was it Pan Am or TWA who did it? DAL could have just as easily done the right thing and said, "thanks for sharing, we'll do the right thing and re-interview them all at least" Revolutionary eh?

I love when somebody tries to defend the indefensible.