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07-30-2011, 12:39 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by V169
He won't be senior but the choice of QOL over upgrade just got really expensive since there won't be an upgrade seat for an AT guy until 2020
07-30-2011, 12:47 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
That's a huge problem right there. That very senior AT FO who could easily have been holding Captain is now locked out of the left seat for 9 years.
Not to mention any prospective new hire is in line behind guys who will start to upgrade in 9 years. New hire upgrade times could easily be in the 15 year time frame.
07-30-2011, 01:42 PM
#73
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Originally Posted by proletariatav8r
Better than what Delta did to the Northwest Poolies. Real class act that DAL. Don't know many carriers who did what they did. Even USA respected the pilots given class dates.
BTW, my buddy was a NWA poolie & he interviewed with DAL & was hired.
07-30-2011, 02:11 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
I agree -- if I were an AirTran F/O, I'd be putting my application in at DAL.
That AirTran pilot would then lose money until he or she was a line holding 73 Captain at DAL. At that point, they'd start to break even. How long would that take ?
I'm not saying being stapled is a good deal. I am saying that in terms of QOL and financially; I'd take the bottom of the SWA list over DAL. The chances of growth at SWA are greater than DAL and hopefully that mitigates upgrade time.
Each to their own of course. Admittedly, I'm also using a very smudged crystal ball.
07-30-2011, 02:19 PM
#75
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
You think I'll see an upgrade at DAL, UAL, or AA in the next 9 years? Doubtful.
Not that long to wait for a regional schmuck like me.
Not that long to wait for a regional schmuck like me.
Have you seen the retirement data posted on this board for the airlines you named?
"doubtful"? More like a mathematical certainty.
Check Airman I flew with recently said that he was told that we are staffed adequately for right now. But when the retirements swing into full throttle here in a few years, we would have needed to start hiring full bore last year to meet the vacancies demanded by the mass exodus.
Sorry for the drift. Back to the new USAir SLI.
07-30-2011, 02:21 PM
#76
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Originally Posted by 1st overnite
I have no dog in this fight, but have friends at both companies. Hopefully nobody will get screwed with this, but usually someone does.
I may have missed the info in the thread, but I have a couple of questions.
-It looks like all A/T Capt keep their seat for 3 years, then what happens? Does an A/T Capt keep his seat forever and just has poor relative seniority for a long time?
- A senior A/T F/O bypasses upgrade for QOL. Now, he will have better relative seniority over junior A/T Capt and those SWA F/O's integrated below him, but has no chance of upgrading for 9+ years. Am I understanding this?
I may have missed the info in the thread, but I have a couple of questions.
-It looks like all A/T Capt keep their seat for 3 years, then what happens? Does an A/T Capt keep his seat forever and just has poor relative seniority for a long time?
- A senior A/T F/O bypasses upgrade for QOL. Now, he will have better relative seniority over junior A/T Capt and those SWA F/O's integrated below him, but has no chance of upgrading for 9+ years. Am I understanding this?
The AirTran CA's are seat protected for 10 years. Either in the ATL or at a SWA base. Outside the ATL base they will use their 'juniority' to hold bid a line. They have the seat, however the line will be whatever they can hold.
ATL is fenced for 10 years. Think ..... 'Escape from New York.'
07-30-2011, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RCD73
That AirTran pilot would then lose money until he or she was a line holding 73 Captain at DAL. At that point, they'd start to break even. How long would that take ?
I'm not saying being stapled is a good deal. I am saying that in terms of QOL and financially; I'd take the bottom of the SWA list over DAL. The chances of growth at SWA are greater than DAL and hopefully that mitigates upgrade time.
Each to their own of course. Admittedly, I'm also using a very smudged crystal ball.
I'm not saying being stapled is a good deal. I am saying that in terms of QOL and financially; I'd take the bottom of the SWA list over DAL. The chances of growth at SWA are greater than DAL and hopefully that mitigates upgrade time.
Each to their own of course. Admittedly, I'm also using a very smudged crystal ball.
07-30-2011, 02:56 PM
#78
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Growth......probably. Attrition.....not even close.
Certainly true. People retiring is certainly a better bet than growth.
No matter where you work; It's a ridiculously big crapshoot for people that have spent a long time and alot of effort getting here.
Fingers crossed.
07-30-2011, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RCD73
Certainly true. People retiring is certainly a better bet than growth.
No matter where you work; It's a ridiculously big crapshoot for people that have spent a long time and alot of effort getting here.
Fingers crossed.
No matter where you work; It's a ridiculously big crapshoot for people that have spent a long time and alot of effort getting here.
Fingers crossed.
07-30-2011, 04:01 PM
#80
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Originally Posted by HSLD
Not to mention any prospective new hire is in line behind guys who will start to upgrade in 9 years. New hire upgrade times could easily be in the 15 year time frame.
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