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02-25-2017, 08:38 AM

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NFjt

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Originally Posted by abbynormallaw

It's the same story folks, there's no reason to give us a deal! Metal moves and our performance keeps getting better.

This is the crux. All the rest is ancillary

02-25-2017, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NFjt

This is the crux. All the rest is ancillary

You're absolutely right. We have union leadership on the standing available list so they aren't even on the same team. It's up to us.

02-25-2017, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lear Driver

Did you read the fastread? Nowhere in it does it say meaningful progress. Quite the opposite. Perhaps it's time for new reading glasses?

Prior updates said exactly that, nice to see the change in tone.

I dont want to get into the insults on the forums, there is enough of that here.

The quote from the latest was..

"While the parties worked through a number of issues in Section 9, we are disappointed that, even with Mediator Catherine McCann’s assistance, the parties were unable to reach tentative agreements (TAs) on these sections."

I see this language to not differ much, if any, from past "although meaningful progress was made, we were unable to secure."

As a pilot, am I supposed to read that FastRead and feel any sort of confidence or excitement for things to come? Should I be excited to see a schedule of confirmed negotiating sessions, some with only one session the entire month, while we lead up to two years amendable?

A simple message of "while we were hashing over the same details in section 9, Jet Blue pilots were being awarded a 16% profit sharing, while they are in their current negotiation for their first contract."

02-25-2017, 09:10 AM

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What we actually need to do is blow up our reps in boxes about the weak messaging. That is how we affect change.

I can almost guarantee the message is being defanged by the lawyers in Herndon. Having interacted with mm and ps I am pretty sure this is not the tone they wanted to use here

02-25-2017, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gators

What did Hawaiian do differently?

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They recently set up a strike center, had a lot more media press, and made it all the way to a cooling off period. Maybe our NC needs to push for this. Our union is like the battered wife of an alcoholic, we just keep giving them more and more chances. We celebrate every time some crumbs get thrown our way.

To expand on what 3inthegreen said, here are some links. Read through them and read the words from the MEC and their actions they took...especially the first link...where is Tim C for us?

Hawaiian Airlines pilots warn of potential strike - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/3...rations-center
News Room - ALPA

https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events...pilots-no-deal

https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events...trike%20Threat

“This vote shows the deep anger our pilots feel toward their senior management,” said Capt. Hoon Lee, chairman of the ALPA unit at Hawaiian Airlines. “We absolutely do not want to go on strike, but if that’s what it takes to get a market-rate contract, our pilots have told us loud and clear that they will stand together and take that final step.”....this is the language I think we should be at right now.

02-25-2017, 09:29 AM

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After reading the latest NC brief it's absolutely time we take a strike vote. It would also be nice if the "company helpers" would just enjoy their time off.

02-25-2017, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OneEyedMonster

To expand on what 3inthegreen said, here are some links. Read through them and read the words from the MEC and their actions they took...especially the first link...where is Tim C for us?

Hawaiian Airlines pilots warn of potential strike - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL

Hawaiian Airlines pilots open strike operations center - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL
News Room - ALPA

https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events...pilots-no-deal

https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events...trike%20Threat

“This vote shows the deep anger our pilots feel toward their senior management,” said Capt. Hoon Lee, chairman of the ALPA unit at Hawaiian Airlines. “We absolutely do not want to go on strike, but if that’s what it takes to get a market-rate contract, our pilots have told us loud and clear that they will stand together and take that final step.”....this is the language I think we should be at right now.

Thanks for posting all these links. Reading through them again makes me embarrassed to wear my green lanyard.

02-25-2017, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OneEyedMonster

Thank you for posting. I am beyond ****ed now. We should demand an answer as to why we are so adamant in employing losing strategies while others are not and winning

02-25-2017, 10:11 AM

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Whatever happened to our Weekly MEC updates? He overall feeling of resignation from our fearless leaders is disturbing.

02-25-2017, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NFjt

I've spoken to my rep about this in the past too. They've claimed they've tried, but the negotiators say 'we're not there yet.' Why do these emails make it sound like things are OK?! Who's in charge?