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#62
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Yea, being sued by management would definitely motivate me to go above the bare minimum...LOL eat $hit you greedy f*cks. < --- not a spirit employee.
It amazes me that in this country a court can force you to fly on your days off. It's like we live in Saudi Arabia minus the beheadings.
It amazes me that in this country a court can force you to fly on your days off. It's like we live in Saudi Arabia minus the beheadings.
#63
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Guys/Gals im on your side for getting a raise. I fly for a major US carrier and did my time at a ULCC. The point im trying to make is have realistic expectations. You are at a ULCC and profitable bc of the lower wages than the legacies. Remember this goes far beyond the pilots. The office folks are paid and stafed at a much lower rate as well as gate and ramp personel. If they were to go in and raise wages to UAL or DAL wages for all workers the ship would sink just do the math. The pilots contract alone would cut over 1 billion in profits out of the company over 5 years. Throw in all the other employees wage increases in and you no longer are profitable. Thats the point of being a ULCC and being able to price flights cheep. A big airline makes a much smaller profit but does it on a massive scale with infinit routes so they can offset the smaller margin. I have numerous buds still at Spirit and they went their knowing it was a stepping stone and are getting out. You want big airline wages go to a big airline. When you were hired you knew what Spirit was so to say its a legacy comparable with wages is just an absolute blunder.
Guys, ignore the stooges like this guy. Keep making your personal QOL decisions on your days off and
Good luck. When's the next picket? I want to walk with you.
#64
Just like last year, last month, and last week. If you don't want to work on a scheduled day off, then don't. "I'm sorry but I'm not available to work today" is all you have to say.
#65
I think there will be a gathering at the company's shiny, new DTW hanger grand opening event on the 21st. Not sure what time. Although, I suspect someone else would be more than happy to fill in the details.
#66
Thanks for the support, from all non-Spirit folks.
We do appreciate it, and know this TRO shows panic mode from mis-management, time is on our side.
Lies only work temporarily, the truth shall prevail.
Someone please spill the "Bean"s...
We do appreciate it, and know this TRO shows panic mode from mis-management, time is on our side.
Lies only work temporarily, the truth shall prevail.
Someone please spill the "Bean"s...
#67
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Yea, being sued by management would definitely motivate me to go above the bare minimum...LOL eat $hit you greedy f*cks. < --- not a spirit employee.
It amazes me that in this country a court can force you to fly on your days off. It's like we live in Saudi Arabia minus the beheadings.
It amazes me that in this country a court can force you to fly on your days off. It's like we live in Saudi Arabia minus the beheadings.
#68
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From: DAL 330
It's part of the double whammy the group suffers when contract negotiations have stalled for so long, due to the lagging rates pilots start to pick up more and more time to fill in the wholes of their income.
At some point the group finally gets fed up with the realization there is no longer a "negotiation" going on and all of a sudden stop filling in all the holes of the schedule.
On the surface, looks like a "work action" to an outsider, person left at the gate when the flight is cancelled, to a judge who gets a handful of selected posts as evidence from a company who chooses to make an enemy of labor, to a press who will complicity read any press release from the company as if it's fact.
Stay strong NK pilots, you fly the same Airbus product thousands of other US pilots fly on a daily basis, to the same airports as they do, with more people on board then they have with arguably less support from your company than they have. What NK chooses to charge for tickets, what NK chooses to do with all of it's profits is purely NK management's decision. Your job description and compensation in the industry is pretty well defined at this point.
At some point the group finally gets fed up with the realization there is no longer a "negotiation" going on and all of a sudden stop filling in all the holes of the schedule.
On the surface, looks like a "work action" to an outsider, person left at the gate when the flight is cancelled, to a judge who gets a handful of selected posts as evidence from a company who chooses to make an enemy of labor, to a press who will complicity read any press release from the company as if it's fact.
Stay strong NK pilots, you fly the same Airbus product thousands of other US pilots fly on a daily basis, to the same airports as they do, with more people on board then they have with arguably less support from your company than they have. What NK chooses to charge for tickets, what NK chooses to do with all of it's profits is purely NK management's decision. Your job description and compensation in the industry is pretty well defined at this point.
Unfortunately at this point the Judge is really the only one that matters. This issue is complicated, has a lot of legal precedence, and is not really a slam dunk for either side.
At DAL we inititially won in court and then lost on appeal. I am not going to repost this all again but if you are interested review posts number 66 and 71 from the "Open trips for JA" thread.
No matter how this turns out in the short run I think you guys will be OK in the long run - the market forces are clearly on your side.
Good Luck Spirit Pilots!

Scoop
#69
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From: 737
And it seems that you're stuck with a "very" intelligent judge:
According to a source,
This Judge apparently also put a "cease and desist" order to the Spirit Pilots against...,
Wait for it...,
- Writing Up Maintenance Items In The Log Book.
- Calling In Sick.
- Calling In Fatigued.
- Refusing To Fly Voluntary Open Time.
Yup, this going to fix everything.
You just cant make this sh*t up!
This Judge apparently also put a "cease and desist" order to the Spirit Pilots against...,
Wait for it...,
- Writing Up Maintenance Items In The Log Book.
- Calling In Sick.
- Calling In Fatigued.
- Refusing To Fly Voluntary Open Time.
Yup, this going to fix everything.
You just cant make this sh*t up!
#70
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