Originally Posted by Feng (Post 2428192)

What if it was an ultra low cost obgyn / hospital that charges less for delivery and pre delivery services by providing a no frills / no pamper accommodations along with lower labor cost? The doctor signed on initially and agreed to work for 30-60% less than doctors at traditional practices, and all of a sudden demand to be paid like traditional practices even though the business model is not setup to have the same revenue as a traditional operation? Perhaps he/she should quit and find employment in a traditional office.

Oh it's not absurd or unreasonable at all that people are saying they won't agree to $500/hr with 50% DC if pbs or no changes to LTD is involved. Jeeesh, I wonder if anyone would underwrite a private LTD plan now that you can spend that extra 300K/yr you'll be making for premiums.

Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed (Post 2428245)

Airlines pay the market rate for fuel, real estate, parts, etc.. They got away with paying below market-rate for pilots for a very long time, because we just went through the worst two decades of aviation employment in US history, all while printing out 250 hr zero-to-heroes that whole time. Labor supply was basically unlimited, so airlines got away with paying bottom dollar.

But like all things, in the long-run, you cannot escape market forces for any business input--Econ 101 always wins in the end (for any limited resource). Even if the 1500 hour rule and age 67 were passed (I hope to god they don't), I firmly believe airlines would still eventually be forced to pay up for pilots--just 5 years or so later. It's a simple long-term market adjustment to the cost and time-investments of training vs. the career outlook/cost/time-investment in other fields, and also a declining millenial-cultural interest in operating machinery with their hands versus building/designing it on a screen.

If your management team reached the expiration of a commodities contract for fuel, and then refused to pay the prevailing (higher) market rate for fuel in the future, fuel suppliers would very quickly stop supplying you with fuel. They'll eventually be forced with the same dilemma if they do not pay you market rate, whether by force from the NMB, or by the force of your feet leaving for greener pastures.

None of the above is emotional or irrational at all--these are not opinions--these are all simple, cynical statements about how the world of business operates in modern capitalist societies. Businesses that cannot generate sustainable profits when paying the prevailing market rate for all costs of doing business--fuel, parts, mechanics, pilots, etc.--are a drag on the US economy and stock markets and they will be eliminated from the sector in the long-run.

I have a lot of buddies over at Spirit and I'm highly confident your management team can afford to pay you market rate and thrive. I believe the same thing for our group here at B6.

Originally Posted by beech_nut (Post 2428281)

If you all insist on engaging the troll feng please stop quoting it in your responses. Put it on ignore like I did. I don't care what the troll says and would prefer not to read it.

Thanks all.

Originally Posted by Squeaky banana (Post 2428290)

I did ignore, but unblocked him cause it's kind of like watching a train wreck. I just can't look away. But I did stop using the respond button and quoting him!

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Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 2428292)

Speaking of Trainwreck, This place is once again falling apart. Numerous computer/system issues today.

Scheduling Que is 54 deep, SMH

Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed (Post 2428245)

Airlines pay the market rate for fuel, real estate, parts, etc.. They got away with paying below market-rate for pilots for a very long time, because we just went through the worst two decades of aviation employment in US history, all while printing out 250 hr zero-to-heroes that whole time. Labor supply was basically unlimited, so airlines got away with paying bottom dollar.

But like all things, in the long-run, you cannot escape market forces for any business input--Econ 101 always wins in the end (for any limited resource). Even if the 1500 hour rule and age 67 were passed (I hope to god they don't), I firmly believe airlines would still eventually be forced to pay up for pilots--just 5 years or so later. It's a simple long-term market adjustment to the cost and time-investments of training vs. the career outlook/cost/time-investment in other fields, and also a declining millenial-cultural interest in operating machinery with their hands versus building/designing it on a screen.

If your management team reached the expiration of a commodities contract for fuel, and then refused to pay the prevailing (higher) market rate for fuel in the future, fuel suppliers would very quickly stop supplying you with fuel. They'll eventually be forced with the same dilemma if they do not pay you market rate, whether by force from the NMB, or by the force of your feet leaving for greener pastures.

None of the above is emotional or irrational at all--these are not opinions--these are all simple, cynical statements about how the world of business operates in modern capitalist societies. Businesses that cannot generate sustainable profits when paying the prevailing market rate for all costs of doing business--fuel, parts, mechanics, pilots, etc.--are a drag on the US economy and stock markets and they will be eliminated from the sector in the long-run.

I have a lot of buddies over at Spirit and I'm highly confident your management team can afford to pay you market rate and thrive. I believe the same thing for our group here at B6.