Macjet

That doesn't answer the question of how PBS only benefits the top but somehow line bidding doesn't.

Thank you for not saying a 'mute' point.

I don't have a problem giving the company more efficiency as long as we're compensated for our fair share of that. Southwest employs 13 pilots per airframe and we employ 18 (round numbers). That level of inefficiency with our current ask isn't good for the long term health of Spirit nor for our continued employment. I want Spirit competitive. I want us lean. And I want us able to compete against our peers because this is the horse I've hitched my wagon to. Correcting our staffing inefficiency in a growth period is the best way we can swallow this pill as there wouldn't be any furloughs and any delay in upgrade will actually benefit us as the new hires we have now will not be ready to upgrade anytime soon.

I'll grant them efficiency improvements in exchange for industry standard pay, rigs, retirement, scope, and LTD. I think it's a fair proposition.

Silver02ex

PBS allows more specific like for those guys who live in base can bid for 2 days or 3 trips with no red eyes. Or commuters who can bid for commutable trips. If you look at our lines, there's a mix of everything at any given line. You may have to drop your schedule and rebuild it if you want to really get specific. With PBS, you can say

2 or 3 day pairings
No red eyes pairings
Desire trips with release time of whatever.
Single pairing per work period (no back to back trips like a 4 day follow by 2 day)

These are some examples. If you're senior enough it will build your line that you want with the exact perimeter. I'm not trying to say PBS is great for everyone, or trying to say I want it, but I worked with PBS for 8 years as a junior and senior pilot to see what it can and can't do.

YourMom

You are bidding pairings and everyone must be legal and no conflicts. There is no guarantee that anyone will get specific days off unless you are number 1. You will see with pbs that junior pilots will get days off that you want and you will not. You will file a missaward and it will come back as "global feasability". I would rather have a line drop and rebuild any day.

spikemath

Per the all call pbs programs utilizing globalization are not being considered.

Qotsaautopilot

I’m not going to tell you if you should sell your relative seniority or not but you sure as heck don’t sell it cheap. And their current offer is no where even close. I know you know this. I just hope we all know that the relative seniority loss could have implications a decade from now and may not be as simple as just delayed upgrade for some. You’re right a growth period is the best time for the immediate effects of seniority stagnation. The long run lower relative seniority effects are unknown but in this industry we all know more is better for every single thing but pay which is longevity based

Super EZ E

Don't look at PBS from the front end, look at what Spirit can do with a product like Sabre Crew Manager. Algorithms Spirit can run will make the company very productive and even more profitable. The Pilot group can't sign off on a revenue neutral contract. Go see!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb2B4UkGWvE