I wasn't serious, was just an admittedly weak, tongue in cheek attempt to mock the "transition is a small percentage and doesn't affect me so it means nothing if it goes away" crowd.

 

It was a joke man. I was poking fun at those that seemed to be so obsessed with their transition conflicts where I just want to get a line and get paid to fly said line the same amount as everyone else.

 

Don’t be cry baby! You are obviously jealous of the savvy bidders who take the extra time to set up a conflict.

You should be happy for the guys that manage a conflict because....
1. More opentime for you to swap/pickup.
2. Higher staffing requirements.
3. More relief lines. Which equals a guaranteed 15 days off.

You should be ashamed of yourself!

 

A hundred percent of the pilots having to bid conflicts, work schedule magic and pick up extra time to make a livable wage sucks. I would take PBS and be able to create schedules per my request instead of bidding lines that hopefully generally fit what I want. To me that would be better than trying to keep 15% on the list. Especially if you plan on being there long term.

 

Let’s say you are selling your airport car for an asking price of $2000. I offer you $2000 if you throw in that extra set of tires you had just bought for it. At this point in the negotiating process, would you say that we have agreed on the sale price of $2000? Of course not. My offer was contingent on you throwing in those (new) tires. You could probably get a couple extra hundred dollars for those on Craigslist.

Same with the company offer vs the ALPA offer.

ALPA’s proposal was for 5 hrs min credit per duty period. WITH THE INCLUSION of 1:3.5 trip rig, 1:2 Duty rig (1:1.75 for nighttime ops), and retaining the 22 hr layover rig.

The company proposal was, as you said, 5 hrs min per duty period after PBS implementation, and retain the 22 hr layover rig.

To further argue my point: If you go back to your ALPA email from 9/14 and look at the comparison guide, you’ll notice at the top it says “Major differences between ALPA’s final proposal and that of Spirit.” Why would both sides say “retain 22 hour layover rig”? If we agreed on it, then why is it even mentioned? Because it’s not agreed upon any more than the sale price of $2000 for your car.

I’m sorry to be so blunt with you, but you hit a nerve in me when you appear to be arguing on the side of PBS by using the argument that the 5 hour min per duty period will somehow save the day.

 

I sure hope you’re not in that 15% one day when furloughs happen or you get displaced because your base is shrinking or closing and you have to commute for a decade. So quick to shed xx% of your brothers. Sad

 

“Create schedules per my request...” is where you lost me. Maybe that works for people with a lot of seniority in category, but for the bottom 80% it should read “my request MAY be considered by a management controlled computer.” But PBS is just a way to sort pairings says the Spirit MEC.

 

"It doesn't affect me personally so I don't care, let's sell that sh!t out".

 

You're dramatics are meaningless. The 15% won't get cut off the bottom it'll just be less total needed in the future. That 15% hasn't been hired yet....and given the lack of people even showing up to class or finishing, I don't think that's going to be a problem. But go ahead keep that future 15% so everyone can do their best working schedule magic and trip drops to try to get what you want.
People on the bottom don't get their desired schedule under either plan so that point is meaningless too.
I've had years of both types. PBS by far has been better.
But I understand when you have severely low wages it's hard to make up the lack income unless you pick up huge amounts of credit some way.
Hopefully you guys win and get industry-standard wages and these problems will be in the past. I really do wish you the best of luck. If I was anywhere near Texas tomorrow I would march with you guys.
BTW I have been in that bottom 15%. But if I spend my whole career worrying about being in the bottom 15% and forget about the 85 that doesn't make for such a great career.

 

You've way exaggerated this. My experience has been the opposite, top 80% get almost everything they want.
Especially when it comes to getting certain exact days off peppered throughout the month and not some exact pattern. Like if you've got kids on different sports teams, holiday events on weekends or middle of the week meetings with the schools. Works great.