Super EZ E

Forsure! People will be shocked to find out PBS will make the contract cost neutral for the company! Big score for the company!

BusterBust

Excellent hyperbole.

Regardless of what we think personally about PBS and the possible inclusion of it in any CBA, lets try and keep the facts straight. I know its fun to speculate and exaggerate, but lets keep it at least as accurate as the forums can.

FLYBOYMATTHEW

I ran the numbers based on my situation using the company's last offer, and I believe he's absolutely right, it's a nearly cost neutral offer. Under PBS, your credit and block will be virtually equal. Under the current CBA, I have 300+ hours of soft time per year, without any JRMs, special deals, etc. If I flew that extra 300 hours per year at current straight pay by picking up on top of transition drops, or taking my days off down to 15 or so, my annual pay would be within $1000 of what it would be for the same block at proposed rates. I, for one, do not want to be forced to fly that much per year, especially if I COULD make nearly the same money under the current CBA.

BusterBust

How do you think your block pay and credit will be equal under PBS? The new contract will have a 5 hour min duty vs a 4.5, for starters. So how does soft pay go away? And the 22 hour overnight override remains the same.

You don’t think you’ll ever have any soft pay under PBS? I’ve flown under PBS, there is soft pay.

You get conflict, nice. 20% do each month according to the union. Means 80% does not. And yes, guys who get conflict every month that pick up on top will not see a huge monetary gain with any new contract because conflict is gone, regardless of bidding, and the “free” conflict pay will hit those pilots. This is true.

I’ve done the math on the company’s propsal vs my current pay and it isn’t even close to cost neutral. Maybe because I don’t go in and double dip on conflict drops because I’m part of the 80% that doesn’t get them. I will make more with their proposal. It’s now a matter of waiting to see what the union can get done with PBS discussions and control. Devil is in the details and judging PBS as evil or amazing is like judging a meal before you get to taste it.

Make sure you share your math with the NC this week on the conference call. Will be curious to see what they have to say about it.

NKSMCOTAKEOVER

Anyone who doesn’t get a conflict at least every two months is not trying or doesn’t know the contract. I’m 75% in base and I managed to get some sort of a conflict at the very least, every two months.

The company proposal is cost neutral. If we vote that pos in we will be the laughing stock of the industry.

flyguyniner11

I haven’t had a conflict in almost a year. And I try so hard! But ya know. Sucks to be junior. Maybe I’m not trying to be more senior hard enough.

Lincoln Osiris

Well to be fair, conflicts on reserve are a joke.

lowandslow

I cannot believe how many of you guys speak against our transition language in this manner.

“Only the senior guys get it therefore I’m willing to completely give it up without a second thought.”

I hope you aren’t serious and can see it’s value.
It increases staffing and can lead to junior people getting a better line than they would normally be able to hope for. Just wait if the company has their way with transition you’ll get it more than you could ever dream.

FLYBOYMATTHEW

You think it sucks to be junior now, wait until after PBS.

lowandslow

Yeah because extra days off for the same credit is such bs.