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#81
You are here in strong support of PBS, why?
I have also worked with PBS at a company with far superior rules and compliance than Spirit management will ever have under "Bob".
For the top 15% life is good.
20-60% gets some of their requests some of the time,
Below 70% might as well not bid, you get the leftovers and maybe ONE of your top requests.
You have a better chance of getting your choices on a relief than you do below 70% at PBS.
A union controlled PBS, with ALL the current work rules, would still be a huge concession with no turning back.
I think this is an issue of long term vs short term career goals at Spirit.
For those who plan to be here more than 5 years, PBS will motivate them to leave even sooner!
#82
I do not know where you work and what work rules are programmed into the PBS system you are using.
You are here in strong support of PBS, why?
I have also worked with PBS at a company with far superior rules and compliance than Spirit management will ever have under "Bob".
For the top 15% life is good.
20-60% gets some of their requests some of the time,
Below 70% might as well not bid, you get the leftovers and maybe ONE of your top requests.
You have a better chance of getting your choices on a relief than you do below 70% at PBS.
A union controlled PBS, with ALL the current work rules, would still be a huge concession with no turning back.
I think this is an issue of long term vs short term career goals at Spirit.
For those who plan to be here more than 5 years, PBS will motivate them to leave even sooner!
You are here in strong support of PBS, why?
I have also worked with PBS at a company with far superior rules and compliance than Spirit management will ever have under "Bob".
For the top 15% life is good.
20-60% gets some of their requests some of the time,
Below 70% might as well not bid, you get the leftovers and maybe ONE of your top requests.
You have a better chance of getting your choices on a relief than you do below 70% at PBS.
A union controlled PBS, with ALL the current work rules, would still be a huge concession with no turning back.
I think this is an issue of long term vs short term career goals at Spirit.
For those who plan to be here more than 5 years, PBS will motivate them to leave even sooner!
I shared my opinion because because I think too much negotiating power will be wasted on it. I think you guys should use it as a great tool against the company. Act like it's something that you'll die to give up but you will if you get industry-standard wages.
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Well I guess we've had vastly different experiences with it. I'm not here to strongly support PBS for anybody. I just think there's a lot of people fear-mongering something they've had little experience with, for the most part I think it's unwarranted. Most of the legacies have PBS and after working the kinks out over a contract or two schedule control greatly improved. I've never ever heard anybody say I wish we could go back to lines of time.
I shared my opinion because because I think too much negotiating power will be wasted on it. I think you guys should use it as a great tool against the company. Act like it's something that you'll die to give up but you will if you get industry-standard wages.
I shared my opinion because because I think too much negotiating power will be wasted on it. I think you guys should use it as a great tool against the company. Act like it's something that you'll die to give up but you will if you get industry-standard wages.
They have not offered industry standard wages for pbs. They offered raised to industry bottom for this bargaining cycle with a pbs kicker. With weak scope and crap Ltd
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You're dramatics are meaningless. The 15% won't get cut off the bottom it'll just be less total needed in the future. That 15% hasn't been hired yet....and given the lack of people even showing up to class or finishing, I don't think that's going to be a problem. But go ahead keep that future 15% so everyone can do their best working schedule magic and trip drops to try to get what you want.
People on the bottom don't get their desired schedule under either plan so that point is meaningless too.
I've had years of both types. PBS by far has been better.
But I understand when you have severely low wages it's hard to make up the lack income unless you pick up huge amounts of credit some way.
Hopefully you guys win and get industry-standard wages and these problems will be in the past. I really do wish you the best of luck. If I was anywhere near Texas tomorrow I would march with you guys.
BTW I have been in that bottom 15%. But if I spend my whole career worrying about being in the bottom 15% and forget about the 85 that doesn't make for such a great career.
People on the bottom don't get their desired schedule under either plan so that point is meaningless too.
I've had years of both types. PBS by far has been better.
But I understand when you have severely low wages it's hard to make up the lack income unless you pick up huge amounts of credit some way.
Hopefully you guys win and get industry-standard wages and these problems will be in the past. I really do wish you the best of luck. If I was anywhere near Texas tomorrow I would march with you guys.
BTW I have been in that bottom 15%. But if I spend my whole career worrying about being in the bottom 15% and forget about the 85 that doesn't make for such a great career.
that the pbs staffing model has affects that reach much further than those not hired yet. Even here at Spirit we have a finite set growth plan at this time. Some line will be drawn on who upgrades and who is a permanent FO. That line shifts much more senior under pbs.
#86
It would be at least a 20% paycut.
Why are we even considering restricting RES drops from the outside in?
RES will become a prison sentence without any schedule flexibility.
Add PBS to that, and it's clear that their 40% offer is actually less than 10%.
QOL never comes back, $$$ is flexible.
QOL will not return, when they ask for monetary concessions in the future.
This is the time to make gains while keeping QOL.
Patience please!
#87
“Create schedules per my request...” is where you lost me. Maybe that works for people with a lot of seniority in category, but for the bottom 80% it should read “my request MAY be considered by a management controlled computer.” But PBS is just a way to sort pairings says the Spirit MEC.
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Yes and no. A relief line doesn't allow you to choose any parameters about the trips you get and is also filled with a mix of trips and RSV days. With PBS you may not get what you want but I'm sure you won't have RSV days and you will have a little say on what you get as in types of trips or days off you need. The min 4 days off could be a real QOL saving grace if NK does get PBS IMO because they won't be able to do crap like a 3 day trip with 2 days off and then a 4 days trip. That said I am in no way advocating PBS.
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