Originally Posted by Gjn290

Flying cannot be added to a trip upon arrival to your domicile. It’s pretty clear. No turns, no additional days. Fact much?

Originally Posted by Planepirate

You guys need to learn some reading comprehension. I’m referring to southwest.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Actually, we were at the bottom of the industry among our peers. We didn't even have B-plan, and we were told over and over that we would NEVER have a B-plan at Southwest Airlines. TA1 only included 0.7% increase in 401k match. Our peers at Delta, United and American all had either 15 or 16% B-plan.

Well... 9-10 months later, after changing NC and our union leadership, we had industry-leading pay rates, until Delta and subsequently United with their me-too clause passed us, and we also got a B-plan.

It all boils down to what you're willing to accept. Pay comes and goes... PBS was a major concession of the last decade, and you're giving it away for bringing you closer to industry standard? I also think you should read a little more about LTD at other airlines and see how things work elsewhere since many of you seem to be excited about it. Hint, you can and should do FAR better.

As for unity... well, that's up to your leadership, how communicative they are, and how fired up they are. When we were in negotiations, we were getting something almost every day from the union. When over 1,000 pilots showed up for a picket in Dallas during blistering heat... you couldn't ignore it. Mind you, this is the biggest koolaid drinking pilot group in the industry. Strong leadership and defined goals. Do you have that?

I don't know what to say to you guys. I'd like to see you engage in a pattern-based bargaining fashion, or at least get very close, but you seem to be going against the very lanyard many of you wear and it's puzzling, to say the least.

Originally Posted by symbian simian

CMIIAW LTD SWA:

capped at $11.500/mnth till age 60....

doesn't sound better

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Do you guys stay on company medical insurance if you go out on medical and do you and family retain your travel benefits? That’s one of the sore spots here...

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Only you guys can determine what you’re worth...

And yes, you have outdated info. It’s up to $12.5k until 65, however if you choose to have additional VLOL, it’s 75% of your income payable either in lump sum (pricier) or monthly... I believe that’s for 5 years.

Do you guys stay on company medical insurance if you go out on medical and do you and family retain your travel benefits? That’s one of the sore spots here...

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Pretty sure this was a dig at Southwest.

Two ways to trade: with the company and with fellow pilots. If I want a stretch of days off, even as a junior pilot, I’ve been able to get them. As to the specifics, read our forum, it’s been discussed ad nauseum. Is it perfect? Nope. Can it be improved? Absolutely.

As to getting JA’d, you’re paid double time for it. If you’re fatigued, you call fatigued, and you’re off. Get JA’d and you have a big event, call your chief and your trip is gone.


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Originally Posted by symbian simian

There is obviously a big problem when the union doesn't give us the latest info when they compare the other carriers to us.

Originally Posted by Planepirate

It was more of a dig at you for coming on here telling us “not to sell our work rules for the money”. You guys get paid a lot and have some very efficient pairings. Our TA is still superior to yours as far as flexibility goes. You have more days off but work harder when you are at work. We can swap/ drop days much easier. Obviously we are inferior when it comes to compensation. I don’t believe the TA will affect anyone’s quality of life unless they are reserve pilots who drop often because they actually want the day off. Those are few and far between.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

These days if you get called for a turn on rsv you can pretty much pack a lunch and expect to be home later that day. The checkout call was either see you for your RAP tomorrow or here is your assignment for tomorrow. The question is under the TA will you now get called for that same turn and then constantly be extended into some six day odyssey every block. I guess we’ll have to see- if it passes that is.