The Signing "Bonus" is the problem
02-16-2018 | 11:44 AM
#11
Line Holder
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
I’m a yes voter but I would vote no if there was not a ratification/retro payment. However, I’m jot voting yes BECAUSE of it either. Not paying us anything for our pain and suffering for the past three years would make me so angry that I would vote no out of spite.
02-16-2018 | 02:08 PM
#12
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
From: I Voted Yes and it Feels Good
Anything less than 100% retro is a joke. It sends a message to the company that it was okay to drag this out for 3 years.
They get to keep our 43% pay raises for themselves. (Minus the bonus, which makes it about, roughly, approximately, plus or minus, 2 years pay we lose.) That's about 6 figures for nearly every pilot who's been here since early openers.)
Oh, and expect nothing to change in 5 years when we do this all again.
They get to keep our 43% pay raises for themselves. (Minus the bonus, which makes it about, roughly, approximately, plus or minus, 2 years pay we lose.) That's about 6 figures for nearly every pilot who's been here since early openers.)
Oh, and expect nothing to change in 5 years when we do this all again.
Good news is there are enough level headed pilots at Spirit to vote this thing in, keeping you from making a horrible decision by sailing into the unknown without the proper industry protections one needs in this career. So thats the good thing, you get LTD, DC, huge raise, substantial scope improvements, etc...
Bad News is you will never be happy at Spirit because you are simply just unrealistic.
02-16-2018 | 02:36 PM
#13
Line Holder
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 95
Likes: 0
I don't know anyone that's voting in this TA for the signing bonus. I am voting yes because of a number of reasons:
Over 5000/month pay raise (A 2 year F/O gets about 2700/month) (those numbers include the DC plan)
A great LTD plan
A good DC plan
Better Scope
I don't think we'd ever get full retro. And I'm not willing to lose 5000/month to take that chance.
Over 5000/month pay raise (A 2 year F/O gets about 2700/month) (those numbers include the DC plan)
A great LTD plan
A good DC plan
Better Scope
I don't think we'd ever get full retro. And I'm not willing to lose 5000/month to take that chance.
02-16-2018 | 07:01 PM
#14
captain scarlet
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 170
Likes: 0
From: Who needs to know?
This is exactly how the company wants us to vote, by thinking how much we are "losing/mo". This takes our focus away from the severe QOL losses.
Sending this back is a worthy "sacrifice" when we regain provisions, which will be maintained as ammunition for the next round.
Otherwise what will be left to negotiate with in 5-7 years?
June is just 3 months away.
Have faith, this is a great time for gains, it may not be this favorable in the future.
Sending this back is a worthy "sacrifice" when we regain provisions, which will be maintained as ammunition for the next round.
Otherwise what will be left to negotiate with in 5-7 years?
June is just 3 months away.
Have faith, this is a great time for gains, it may not be this favorable in the future.
02-16-2018 | 07:38 PM
#15
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 456
Likes: 0
This is exactly how the company wants us to vote, by thinking how much we are "losing/mo". This takes our focus away from the severe QOL losses.
Sending this back is a worthy "sacrifice" when we regain provisions, which will be maintained as ammunition for the next round.
Otherwise what will be left to negotiate with in 5-7 years?
June is just 3 months away.
Have faith, this is a great time for gains, it may not be this favorable in the future.
Sending this back is a worthy "sacrifice" when we regain provisions, which will be maintained as ammunition for the next round.
Otherwise what will be left to negotiate with in 5-7 years?
June is just 3 months away.
Have faith, this is a great time for gains, it may not be this favorable in the future.
02-16-2018 | 08:04 PM
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
I hear they did this also last time, scares people into yes vote with having no back up position. I think may be TA was loss when same negotiator was picked for this time. Hope we learn this time.
02-16-2018 | 08:19 PM
#17
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
From: I Voted Yes and it Feels Good
This is exactly how the company wants us to vote, by thinking how much we are "losing/mo". This takes our focus away from the severe QOL losses.
Sending this back is a worthy "sacrifice" when we regain provisions, which will be maintained as ammunition for the next round.
Otherwise what will be left to negotiate with in 5-7 years?
June is just 3 months away.
Have faith, this is a great time for gains, it may not be this favorable in the future.
Sending this back is a worthy "sacrifice" when we regain provisions, which will be maintained as ammunition for the next round.
Otherwise what will be left to negotiate with in 5-7 years?
June is just 3 months away.
Have faith, this is a great time for gains, it may not be this favorable in the future.
Back to your hole, Cole.
02-16-2018 | 08:21 PM
#18
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 307
Likes: 0
From: A320HD
What does June have to with this vote? If you think we are going to have a melt down if this gets shot down you are completely wrong. They have enough people coming over to fill classes right now. Maybe reach out and ask the NC what plan B is if this fails? I think they said there is no plan. I am not telling you how to vote, but if you vote No don’t do it thinking the company will come crawling back to the table. Vote No because you are willing to work under the current CBA for who knows how long. Just like the No voters have said don’t vote Yes out of fear.
02-16-2018 | 08:23 PM
#19
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 456
Likes: 0
02-16-2018 | 08:25 PM
#20
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 307
Likes: 0
From: A320HD
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
