The Signing "Bonus" is the problem
02-16-2018 | 08:59 PM
#31
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Double Wrong. Wrong Wrong (Thats 4 wrong)
We have a meltdown this year, we will have our behinds dragged into court in a second and the TRO will hang over us until the next meltdown. You are hoping the company has another meltdown, we dont bail them out, a judge doesnt see this as a TRO violation, and the company doesnt play their trump card and drag us back to court. All this happens and the company goes to us with bags of additional money? Sounds logical.
How will you like it when a judge issues damages against us and we are now having to deduct a paycheck assessment to pay off Spirit management for the judgement? Don't think it can happen, has happened before in this industry.
I know you like to play Mr. Mom and drop your reserve days and stay home. And thats the TRUE reason you want this contract to fail. Hey, no harm. But thats your motivation, dont hide it as anything but that.
We have a meltdown this year, we will have our behinds dragged into court in a second and the TRO will hang over us until the next meltdown. You are hoping the company has another meltdown, we dont bail them out, a judge doesnt see this as a TRO violation, and the company doesnt play their trump card and drag us back to court. All this happens and the company goes to us with bags of additional money? Sounds logical.
How will you like it when a judge issues damages against us and we are now having to deduct a paycheck assessment to pay off Spirit management for the judgement? Don't think it can happen, has happened before in this industry.
I know you like to play Mr. Mom and drop your reserve days and stay home. And thats the TRUE reason you want this contract to fail. Hey, no harm. But thats your motivation, dont hide it as anything but that.
Second-you obviously have no idea who I am as when I was on reserve I maybe dropped a day once. Never played the game but I do love how you guys keep saying us no voters only do so because of some special situation involving gravy or laziness.
02-16-2018 | 09:06 PM
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First- meltdown 2017 only resulted in a TRO because there were stupid actions and words done by stupid people. Only difference.
Second-you obviously have no idea who I am as when I was on reserve I maybe dropped a day once. Never played the game but I do love how you guys keep saying us no voters only do so because of some special situation involving gravy or laziness.
Second-you obviously have no idea who I am as when I was on reserve I maybe dropped a day once. Never played the game but I do love how you guys keep saying us no voters only do so because of some special situation involving gravy or laziness.
Of course the same things will happen and the burden of proof is even lower against a pilot group currently with a cease and desist against them.
In the end, this TA passes BIGLY. So scream and yell, it passes and we move on.
02-16-2018 | 09:23 PM
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He asked what airline has ever gotten full retro.
The answer is: Delta
They got it. End of story.
02-16-2018 | 10:24 PM
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1) They were less than 12 months past the amendable date
2) They were dealing with management that does not hate f$ck labor on a daily basis like ours does.
02-17-2018 | 06:37 AM
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You weren't here, that's fine. But maybe now you're hearing only one side of the story. Accusations of "scare tactics" were made back then, and low and behold they're being made again now!
Pretty sure it's the same cast of characters making the same worn out accusations now, and it's still BS.
A totally legitimate question is asked. "What happens next if the TA is not ratified?" An honest answer has to recognize that there is some uncertainty. Nobody can predict the future.
How long to resume negotiations?
What demands will Spirit bring to the table when they do reconvene?
Will there be a change of personnel in the negotiating committee?
...nobody knows
02-20-2018 | 10:40 AM
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02-20-2018 | 10:44 AM
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02-20-2018 | 06:04 PM
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And what did XJT owe their pilots after that time? Maybe 20k? I'm sure you find it totally reasonable though that you should not only get a 80k pay raise but also keep all of your work rules and receive a 180k retro bonus to sign it in. Sorry your 70k bonus isn't enough, I hope you enjoy being at the bottom on the list at DL when you leave.......... oh wait
02-20-2018 | 06:07 PM
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Question 1: What airline has ever gotten "full retro?"
Question 2: How do you figure they keep our pay raise for themselves?
Guys like you come on here and make these outlandish statements like they are facts. If you want to hate this TA fine, but give a good reason. I cannot imagine how you could back up anything you're saying with logic or anything based on reality, but please indulge us...
Question 2: How do you figure they keep our pay raise for themselves?
Guys like you come on here and make these outlandish statements like they are facts. If you want to hate this TA fine, but give a good reason. I cannot imagine how you could back up anything you're saying with logic or anything based on reality, but please indulge us...
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