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Old 01-12-2019, 04:33 PM   #301  
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He's 55% in base in seat. If you need more than that to avoid garbage trips, and 13 days off, then like I said before I don't want itnot that any any of us have a sayy in a merger. I'd literally rather merge with frontier and take my chances at a JCBA than merge with American. Ever.


If your buddy is 5 years and 55% then heís in charlotte which is the most senior base and has been stagnant recently as LAA guys move in and the 737 is taking some of that bases flying.

5 years seniority will buy you 777 fo in dfw/lga and he more than likely will be able to hold 737/airbus captain soon. Point being his situation isnít the norm. Plus, in a few years he will be 50% at the airline.

The crappy work rules everyone complained about were mostly from the lack of an average calendar day pay. Thatís fixed. Plus negotiations start this month.

Thereís still a good amount to go but your perspective is skewed from your one friend.
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Old 01-12-2019, 04:44 PM   #302  
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If your buddy is 5 years and 55% then heís in charlotte which is the most senior base and has been stagnant recently as LAA guys move in and the 737 is taking some of that bases flying.

5 years seniority will buy you 777 fo in dfw/lga and he more than likely will be able to hold 737/airbus captain soon. Point being his situation isnít the norm. Plus, in a few years he will be 50% at the airline.

The crappy work rules everyone complained about were mostly from the lack of an average calendar day pay. Thatís fixed. Plus negotiations start this month.

Thereís still a good amount to go but your perspective is skewed from your one friend.
He's only one of.multiple friends for one. And for 2, the 55% may have been a while back but the point is 55% shows that it doesn't matter where you are seniority wise that the work rules are crap. Even with the new pairing rigs, they all still voice their complaints. And I have friends at delta, united and southwest and none of them complain to this level.
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He's only one of.multiple friends for one. And for 2, the 55% may have been a while back but the point is 55% shows that it doesn't matter where you are seniority wise that the work rules are crap. Even with the new pairing rigs, they all still voice their complaints. And I have friends at delta, united and southwest and none of them complain to this level.


If the 55% was a while back then that was before the average calendar day went into effect November 1st. No more 11 day off lines now.

Itís all the rage for LUS guys to complain about the AA work rules. But believe it or not AA now has industry leading rigs with average calendar day and the other rigs that came with that. The reassignment language needs to be fixed but that should come with a new contract.

Some people just like to complain.
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Old 01-12-2019, 04:54 PM   #304  
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I don't know where the guy gets his AA left seat flow but my TWA buddies that are 98 hires upgraded last month to A320. That was the first time they could hold left seat. They are very junior LGA Res Capts. Don't forget the 10 years they spent on the street!!!
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This boggles my mind.... American is run by a multiple DUI offender (couldn’t get hired as a ramper with his record). They have $20+ BILLION in debt, and growing with a still aging fleet. And, one of the lowest operating margins amongst the ‘legacy’ carriers.... Why do people fantasize over them? I have many friends there, and I wish them no ill will, but their airline is being horribly run.... I personally want nothing to do them.
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Well, many at Spirit have their AA app in. Know of any at AA with their Spirit app in? That might help with understanding.
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:52 PM   #307  
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Honestly who really cares. If it happens we will all make the best of it, it wouldnít be the end of the world and AA does offer things that Spirit doesnít (real international flying, more money). But lots of us just want to grow organically and see where it goes. Iím sure back in the day when they had 120 planes everyone thought Southwest was a prime takeover candidate and that never amounted to anything.

I also think youíd have a hard time getting the DOJ to approve a merger and taking all the competitive pricing out of the market. It would for sure raise fares and hurt the consumer and thatís what they look at. Maybe under Trump it would get pushed through... But I think more likely it will be a mixup of the LCCs if anything is going to happen.


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Well, many at Spirit have their AA app in. Know of any at AA with their Spirit app in? That might help with understanding.

Good....I hope theyíre all senior to me and get hired.
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TWA isnít a good example as it was a complete screwjob and laws came as a result of it. Iím sure thereís pride in the employer and what you are building. We were too at red tail, then a smiling Eskimo came. Pilots have no say in mergers but they happen and seem like will continue to happen. Would you agree the 6 unmerged airlines (Hawaiian, Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, jetBlue, Sun Country) are prime candidates? When it happens, I guess the question is big 4 or one of these other LCCs. As for the SLI, the separate AWA list did just fine in the end with AA. Plus, 8400 mandatory gone in 10 yrs out of 14,000. How bad can a SLI be when 8400+ are gone?


Could make money if you guess right. Whoever owned VX stock got a decent pay day. Guessing game between the remaining 6 airlines now in terms of stock.
I think jetBlue is the next victim. They're rudderless and can't seem to find a forward path after losing VX. Spirit may be in the same shape at 300 airplanes but we won't know for another 10 years.
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I think jetBlue is the next victim. They're rudderless and can't seem to find a forward path after losing VX. Spirit may be in the same shape at 300 airplanes but we won't know for another 10 years.
Well, if you call 255 airplanes with firm orders for 153 more plus a new fleet type rudderless sure. They also have a new contract far better than ours. We are the ones searching the ends of the earth for Airbus slots and used 319s. Iíd say we are much more rudderless right now, as we celebrate WiFi with cake cutting ceremonies.
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