Summer meltdown
08-12-2021 | 12:44 PM
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The only reason Delta keeps their cancelations so low is they perpetually delay a flight that should be classified as cancelled (delayed 14+ hours to the next day). They will bend over backwards to keep it from being tallied as a cancellation, even if it means inconvenience to the passengers by continuously stringing them along.
When I worked for the regionals, American and United would (typically) cancel appropriately when needed. I had a better chance of getting struck by lightning than Delta canceling a hopeless flight.
When I worked for the regionals, American and United would (typically) cancel appropriately when needed. I had a better chance of getting struck by lightning than Delta canceling a hopeless flight.
08-12-2021 | 12:57 PM
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The only reason Delta keeps their cancelations so low is they perpetually delay a flight that should be classified as cancelled (delayed 14+ hours to the next day). They will bend over backwards to keep it from being tallied as a cancellation, even if it means inconvenience to the passengers by continuously stringing them along.
When I worked for the regionals, American and United would (typically) cancel appropriately when needed. I had a better chance of getting struck by lightning than Delta canceling a hopeless flight.
When I worked for the regionals, American and United would (typically) cancel appropriately when needed. I had a better chance of getting struck by lightning than Delta canceling a hopeless flight.
08-12-2021 | 01:11 PM
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We do the same though, but it comes with the added benefit for the company of not having to pay us because they don’t have to call it a reschedule. Now, I’m not sure if we do it for the completion factor metric as well, but Spirit is definitely no better than Delta in this regard.
08-12-2021 | 01:30 PM
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This meltdown doesn't make me think Spirit is going to fold, but it does make me wonder if management is actually prepared for the logistical side of growing the fleet as ambitiously as they've said.
08-12-2021 | 02:34 PM
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The only reason Delta keeps their cancelations so low is they perpetually delay a flight that should be classified as cancelled (delayed 14+ hours to the next day). They will bend over backwards to keep it from being tallied as a cancellation, even if it means inconvenience to the passengers by continuously stringing them along.
When I worked for the regionals, American and United would (typically) cancel appropriately when needed. I had a better chance of getting struck by lightning than Delta canceling a hopeless flight.
When I worked for the regionals, American and United would (typically) cancel appropriately when needed. I had a better chance of getting struck by lightning than Delta canceling a hopeless flight.
08-12-2021 | 02:39 PM
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Summer meltdown
I can't speak for Delta, but at least with American it seems that it's a toss up. Sometimes they'll cancel early, and other times they'll do the dreaded 30 minute rolling delay until it finally departs or cancels 6 hours later.
This meltdown doesn't make me think Spirit is going to fold, but it does make me wonder if management is actually prepared for the logistical side of growing the fleet as ambitiously as they've said.
This meltdown doesn't make me think Spirit is going to fold, but it does make me wonder if management is actually prepared for the logistical side of growing the fleet as ambitiously as they've said.
They’ve been growing the fleet this aggressively for over a decade. I’m not trying to give management a pass, they screwed up big time, but I think it was a lot more than just poor planning that went into the meltdown. Maybe a bit of overconfidence that they could hire enough people. Maybe overconfidence in their subcontractors? Maybe overconfidence in the ability of scheduling. Either way they knew it was coming, they just didn’t make the decision to proactively stop it when they had the chance.
08-12-2021 | 04:05 PM
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The only reason Delta keeps their cancelations so low is they perpetually delay a flight that should be classified as cancelled (delayed 14+ hours to the next day). They will bend over backwards to keep it from being tallied as a cancellation, even if it means inconvenience to the passengers by continuously stringing them along.
When I worked for the regionals, American and United would (typically) cancel appropriately when needed. I had a better chance of getting struck by lightning than Delta canceling a hopeless flight.
When I worked for the regionals, American and United would (typically) cancel appropriately when needed. I had a better chance of getting struck by lightning than Delta canceling a hopeless flight.
08-12-2021 | 04:58 PM
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They’ve been growing the fleet this aggressively for over a decade. I’m not trying to give management a pass, they screwed up big time, but I think it was a lot more than just poor planning that went into the meltdown. Maybe a bit of overconfidence that they could hire enough people. Maybe overconfidence in their subcontractors? Maybe overconfidence in the ability of scheduling. Either way they knew it was coming, they just didn’t make the decision to proactively stop it when they had the chance.
Just like how some airlines would rather have a couple return to gates or diversions due to insufficient fuel rather than giving every flight enough contingency to not be a problem.
08-12-2021 | 05:29 PM
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I definitely believe that, I think management knows exactly what they're doing. I'm sure somewhere there's a spread sheet that shows the cost of a catastrophic meltdown like this last week versus the cost savings of delaying investing in company infrastructure.
Just like how some airlines would rather have a couple return to gates or diversions due to insufficient fuel rather than giving every flight enough contingency to not be a problem.
Just like how some airlines would rather have a couple return to gates or diversions due to insufficient fuel rather than giving every flight enough contingency to not be a problem.
08-14-2021 | 06:20 AM
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Wow, just seeing the email for the new app they are releasing for crews.
"With this system there will be three platforms made available to you"
Sweet...so I can be contacted by scheduling via app, email and text! And I get get push notifications to my phone of a rescheduling attempt! Wow. So Cool!
Ill take the option of not participating in this app and "Crew Scheduling will continue to notify via methods listed in their CBA". Sorry but I wont be selling my CBA notification requirements because they have an app.
I wonder how long until they guy im flying with says "You download this app, its pretty cool" Ugh...
"With this system there will be three platforms made available to you"
Sweet...so I can be contacted by scheduling via app, email and text! And I get get push notifications to my phone of a rescheduling attempt! Wow. So Cool!
Ill take the option of not participating in this app and "Crew Scheduling will continue to notify via methods listed in their CBA". Sorry but I wont be selling my CBA notification requirements because they have an app.
I wonder how long until they guy im flying with says "You download this app, its pretty cool" Ugh...
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