New hire pay on reserve
11-01-2019, 03:54 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Naw. More fun to just wait and watch the look on your faces when the NMB says since the pilots group seems to think $57 an hour for new hire pilots is appropriate, vs 92-90 for legacies, the pilots union themselves have defined themselves as only being worth 63% of the legacy A320 pay scale.
Based on the United A320 payscale, that would top one of your 12 year captains out at $178 an hour.
Don’t bet your management won’t some day make that argument. Or that that argument won’t be made by the other pilot group if there is someday a SLI.
Bad karma has a way of biting people in the butt eventually.
Based on the United A320 payscale, that would top one of your 12 year captains out at $178 an hour.
Don’t bet your management won’t some day make that argument. Or that that argument won’t be made by the other pilot group if there is someday a SLI.
Bad karma has a way of biting people in the butt eventually.
Your lack of knowledge on the matter is ridiculous. Your argument isnt even logical, its humorous. "Everyone on this forum is now dumber from having listed to it, I award you no points"
11-01-2019, 05:24 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
I could make the same argument the other way....”how much should a senior airline pilot with 20+ years experience sacrifice in wages, when approaching retirement, so that a new hire can get double the raise of those hired 2 years before him.” Should the senior pilot have saved more for retirement so that the pay decrease wouldn’t be an issue? Could I make the same argument of the new hire and saving?
How much less would you take an hour to increase first year pay?? Serious question because it would not be increased more, without a cut somewhere. Or should the pilot group refuse to sign any contract that doesn’t have higher first year pay? Should on property pilots draw a line to raise first year pay, because in sure the recruiting department would love that as well.
Stand by what I said, first year pay isn’t close to perfect but highly doable and I know this because most all of us did it at $38!
If you can’t swing it, no problem, but don’t expect the pilot group at large to take less to supplement hiring and growth.
You can reply with your standard hysteria and hyperbole about how nobody cares etc....
How much less would you take an hour to increase first year pay?? Serious question because it would not be increased more, without a cut somewhere. Or should the pilot group refuse to sign any contract that doesn’t have higher first year pay? Should on property pilots draw a line to raise first year pay, because in sure the recruiting department would love that as well.
Stand by what I said, first year pay isn’t close to perfect but highly doable and I know this because most all of us did it at $38!
If you can’t swing it, no problem, but don’t expect the pilot group at large to take less to supplement hiring and growth.
You can reply with your standard hysteria and hyperbole about how nobody cares etc....
11-01-2019, 06:07 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by onedolla
I wonder how much the senior guys at those 90/hr first year shops sacrificed for their new hires. Think they could have hit 300 an hour for narrowbody if they made the new guys pay their dues? Why was it important to them not us?
It really seems that the majority of you guys are missing the reality of this...This contract is signed and done. Regardless of what you wanted it to be or not, its done.
Going forward we hope all longevity will continue to see raises. There is no reason why first year FO pay wont get bumped much higher next go around, just like there is no reason why senior CAs wont see close to/at/above $300/hr next go around. The point is, its not the job of the senior pilot to ask for less to make it happen. All longevity should see benefits in pay and work rules. But facts are facts...a new hire getting hired today is making more than one hired 2 years ago. That is an improvement, it was a large one, and it should continue next contract as well.
Anyways..im over it. Guys can home here if they want or wait for the next contract for higher first year pay. I dont think we have 1 pilot on property today in the left seat that wishes they held out for higher first year pay. People make their choices, people have their opinions, and the sun will rise tomorrow and ExCargoDog will do a E175 cold walkaround in BFE at 4am, thinking how airline "woke" he is.
11-01-2019, 07:08 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
I dont think we have 1 pilot on property today in the left seat that wishes they held out for higher first year pay.
I know of a few, I’m guessing you aren’t one of them.
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11-01-2019, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver02ex
Aren’t you at Compass? At least our new hire don’t have have to worry about Delta taking half of our airplanes.
That being said, I’m looking forward to starting class here next month.
11-01-2019, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Spectre186
I was really interested in Spirit, since I live in Las Vegas, but I’m single income with a family. There’s no way I could make 42k work for my first year!
Not kidding. Did it. Wife made more in a weekend at consignment sales than I did flying. Current contract is better than old one but you can still do the math and figure out if your secondary job pays out more or less during first year.
One of the first lessons I was taught in the 121 biz - first year pay is on the company, not the union. Don't expect anything first year and you won't be disappointed. Most places, it's worth sticking it out and doing a side hustle to make ends meet first year. In vegas, there ought to be *something* you can do during your off time to make your budget work.
11-02-2019, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Where I will make more money in the next year than your new hires....
Do I wish it was higher? As a NH myself, of course I do. Do I want the union to spend negotiating capital on it? No.
Longball.
But hey, go and count your extra money on those 5 legs days dude.
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