New hire pay on reserve
11-02-2019 | 02:15 AM
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Drop your whole schedule and deliver pizzas instead, until you're on second year pay.
Not kidding. Did it. Wife made more in a weekend at consignment sales than I did flying. Current contract is better than old one but you can still do the math and figure out if your secondary job pays out more or less during first year.
One of the first lessons I was taught in the 121 biz - first year pay is on the company, not the union. Don't expect anything first year and you won't be disappointed. Most places, it's worth sticking it out and doing a side hustle to make ends meet first year. In vegas, there ought to be *something* you can do during your off time to make your budget work.
Not kidding. Did it. Wife made more in a weekend at consignment sales than I did flying. Current contract is better than old one but you can still do the math and figure out if your secondary job pays out more or less during first year.
One of the first lessons I was taught in the 121 biz - first year pay is on the company, not the union. Don't expect anything first year and you won't be disappointed. Most places, it's worth sticking it out and doing a side hustle to make ends meet first year. In vegas, there ought to be *something* you can do during your off time to make your budget work.
11-02-2019 | 04:16 AM
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11-03-2019 | 05:33 AM
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Drop your whole schedule and deliver pizzas instead, until you're on second year pay.
Not kidding. Did it. Wife made more in a weekend at consignment sales than I did flying. Current contract is better than old one but you can still do the math and figure out if your secondary job pays out more or less during first year.
One of the first lessons I was taught in the 121 biz - first year pay is on the company, not the union. Don't expect anything first year and you won't be disappointed. Most places, it's worth sticking it out and doing a side hustle to make ends meet first year. In vegas, there ought to be *something* you can do during your off time to make your budget work.
Not kidding. Did it. Wife made more in a weekend at consignment sales than I did flying. Current contract is better than old one but you can still do the math and figure out if your secondary job pays out more or less during first year.
One of the first lessons I was taught in the 121 biz - first year pay is on the company, not the union. Don't expect anything first year and you won't be disappointed. Most places, it's worth sticking it out and doing a side hustle to make ends meet first year. In vegas, there ought to be *something* you can do during your off time to make your budget work.
Just make sure that Pizza Hut knows you've got a 3 hour Call out, while making that 30 minute delivery. Because Reserves are now prisoners to their schedule and can only drop one block of Reserve Days per year.
11-03-2019 | 05:53 AM
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You're telling highly skilled professional aviators to go deliver pizzas, because it pays better than Spirit.
Just make sure that Pizza Hut knows you've got a 3 hour Call out, while making that 30 minute delivery. Because Reserves are now prisoners to their schedule and can only drop one block of Reserve Days per year.
Just make sure that Pizza Hut knows you've got a 3 hour Call out, while making that 30 minute delivery. Because Reserves are now prisoners to their schedule and can only drop one block of Reserve Days per year.
How did CAL and UAL FOs get by in 2008 at 29 and 33 bucks an hour and no health insurance for 6 months! They eventually improved on those numbers as will we.
I have nothing but respect for the person who realizes that in order to pay the bills, you do what’s necessary to get it done; instead on whining about what’s not fair and how highly skilled you are.
11-03-2019 | 06:19 AM
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“You get what you pay for.”
That’s actually a best case scenario. Sometimes you get a whole lot less.
When first year pay - counting time in the schoolhouse - is actually LESS than the first year pay at most regionals - and you are headed into an era of higher pilot demand and less supply, when even the military services are offering big bonuses for their flyers to stick around, you are foolish if you don’t realize what will eventually come of treating your newbies like cr@p.
It doesn’t matter what you got paid a decade ago...or even three years ago. Who knows when you might get another contract, or how much farther this already embarrassingly low pay will compare to what the market is paying then. If you aren’t competitive then you are going to get the dregs. Do you seriously think some of these regional managements are doing $50K signing bonuses or paying for RTP hours for guys out of the goodness of their hearts? They are paying what the market is forcing them to pay.
You can reminisce all you want about what you got paid and it is just as irrelevant as old timers talking about their learning to fly in a $3000 Tri-Pacer burning eight gallons an hour of 80-87 that cost them 60 cents a gallon. H€||, there was a time you could buy the whole of Manhattan Island for $24 worth of trinkets too. But that time ain’t now.
That’s actually a best case scenario. Sometimes you get a whole lot less.
When first year pay - counting time in the schoolhouse - is actually LESS than the first year pay at most regionals - and you are headed into an era of higher pilot demand and less supply, when even the military services are offering big bonuses for their flyers to stick around, you are foolish if you don’t realize what will eventually come of treating your newbies like cr@p.
It doesn’t matter what you got paid a decade ago...or even three years ago. Who knows when you might get another contract, or how much farther this already embarrassingly low pay will compare to what the market is paying then. If you aren’t competitive then you are going to get the dregs. Do you seriously think some of these regional managements are doing $50K signing bonuses or paying for RTP hours for guys out of the goodness of their hearts? They are paying what the market is forcing them to pay.
You can reminisce all you want about what you got paid and it is just as irrelevant as old timers talking about their learning to fly in a $3000 Tri-Pacer burning eight gallons an hour of 80-87 that cost them 60 cents a gallon. H€||, there was a time you could buy the whole of Manhattan Island for $24 worth of trinkets too. But that time ain’t now.
11-03-2019 | 06:32 AM
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Are you that new to this industry? “Highly skilled professional aviators” have been delivering pizzas for years. And while you’re at Dominos, waiting for the next delivery, you can have a chat with your coworker who is a highly skilled PhD and the cashier who is a highly skilled thespian about is trying for a acting career.
How did CAL and UAL FOs get by in 2008 at 29 and 33 bucks an hour and no health insurance for 6 months! They eventually improved on those numbers as will we.
I have nothing but respect for the person who realizes that in order to pay the bills, you do what’s necessary to get it done; instead on whining about what’s not fair and how highly skilled you are.
How did CAL and UAL FOs get by in 2008 at 29 and 33 bucks an hour and no health insurance for 6 months! They eventually improved on those numbers as will we.
I have nothing but respect for the person who realizes that in order to pay the bills, you do what’s necessary to get it done; instead on whining about what’s not fair and how highly skilled you are.
11-03-2019 | 06:58 AM
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Are you that new to this industry? “Highly skilled professional aviators” have been delivering pizzas for years. And while you’re at Dominos, waiting for the next delivery, you can have a chat with your coworker who is a highly skilled PhD and the cashier who is a highly skilled thespian about is trying for a acting career.
How did CAL and UAL FOs get by in 2008 at 29 and 33 bucks an hour and no health insurance for 6 months! They eventually improved on those numbers as will we.
I have nothing but respect for the person who realizes that in order to pay the bills, you do what’s necessary to get it done; instead on whining about what’s not fair and how highly skilled you are.
How did CAL and UAL FOs get by in 2008 at 29 and 33 bucks an hour and no health insurance for 6 months! They eventually improved on those numbers as will we.
I have nothing but respect for the person who realizes that in order to pay the bills, you do what’s necessary to get it done; instead on whining about what’s not fair and how highly skilled you are.
11-03-2019 | 06:59 AM
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The larger point being to pay your bills however you have to until the pay comes up, and not to sit at a regional because you’re some by god professional aviator who’s too good to work a side hustle.
We can talk about what it should be, but what’s being suggested is how to make it on what it is. Some will have to work a side job. Some have spouses with good incomes. Some finance it.
I personally laughed when our absentee CEO suggested that our quick upgrade will be enough to continue to attract talent given the looming hiring binge at the legacies on the recent earnings call. As if one can’t upgrade in 3-5 years at Delta or United right now. He strikes me as the wait until problems happen kind rather than the get out in front of them type. But that issue is lurking and will have to be addressed.
A mid contract adjustment for new hires wouldn’t shock me in the least before we ratify in 2029 or whatever.
We can talk about what it should be, but what’s being suggested is how to make it on what it is. Some will have to work a side job. Some have spouses with good incomes. Some finance it.
I personally laughed when our absentee CEO suggested that our quick upgrade will be enough to continue to attract talent given the looming hiring binge at the legacies on the recent earnings call. As if one can’t upgrade in 3-5 years at Delta or United right now. He strikes me as the wait until problems happen kind rather than the get out in front of them type. But that issue is lurking and will have to be addressed.
A mid contract adjustment for new hires wouldn’t shock me in the least before we ratify in 2029 or whatever.
11-03-2019 | 07:09 AM
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The larger point being to pay your bills however you have to until the pay comes up, and not to sit at a regional because you’re some by god professional aviator who’s too good to work a side hustle.
We can talk about what it should be, but what’s being suggested is how to make it on what it is. Some will have to work a side job. Some have spouses with good incomes. Some finance it.
I personally laughed when our absentee CEO suggested that our quick upgrade will be enough to continue to attract talent given the looming hiring binge at the legacies on the recent earnings call. As if one can’t upgrade in 3-5 years at Delta or United right now. He strikes me as the wait until problems happen kind rather than the get out in front of them type. But that issue is lurking and will have to be addressed.
A mid contract adjustment for new hires wouldn’t shock me in the least before we ratify in 2029 or whatever.
We can talk about what it should be, but what’s being suggested is how to make it on what it is. Some will have to work a side job. Some have spouses with good incomes. Some finance it.
I personally laughed when our absentee CEO suggested that our quick upgrade will be enough to continue to attract talent given the looming hiring binge at the legacies on the recent earnings call. As if one can’t upgrade in 3-5 years at Delta or United right now. He strikes me as the wait until problems happen kind rather than the get out in front of them type. But that issue is lurking and will have to be addressed.
A mid contract adjustment for new hires wouldn’t shock me in the least before we ratify in 2029 or whatever.
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