Calm down girls. Neither of you will have to fly with the other one.

 

Seems to me it’s more bragging than saying our new hires should get paid more.

 

You can cherry-pick individual statements out of a long discussion to give almost any appearance but unfortunately for you the conversation is still on the server and anyone who wants to can look back and see the reality.

My assertion was simply that it would be better for pilot unity if first year pay was high enough that those coming in from the regionals weren’t having to take a pay cut to do so, and anyone who bothers to look back will see that’s precisely what I was saying. I wasn’t picking on NK in particular, F9 doesn’t do much better by their newbies and UPS actually does worse. In fact there are quite a few REGIONALS that pay their newbie FOs (counting signing bonuses) considerably more their first year than do NK, F9, or UPS. THAT isn’t even my opinion, simply a matter of fact. Nor was I even asserting that NK pay ought to be brought up to legacy or even SWA FO first year pay, simply that I didn’t think it ought to be a reduction from what most people were getting in the regionals. I conceded that in the long run people were certainly better off moving to any of those three majors - I CAN do the math - but simply opined that it would be better for pilot unity if some attention were given to eliminating the huge gap between second and first year pay in ensuing contracts. Now that may be naive, but until someone explains why I shouldn’t think that I’m afraid I’m sticking to it.

Now why that put a burr under the saddle of you and several other people on here I’m not really sure. But I flatter myself that I’m a reasonably open minded individual so I am certainly willing to listen to your argument.

So can you succinctly explain to me why you believe that new NK FOs should receive less pay their first year than new FOs at Republic, Air Whiskey, QX, and several other regionals receive AT A REGIONAL?

For added credit, could you explain why you and a few others appear to believe I’m an SOB for even asking the question?

I await your response with bated breath so please don’t take too long - I might pass out.

 

I’ll make this very simple. The issue is not someone saying “our new hire should get paid more.” The issue is that someone such as yourself, coming on here to brag about how you are making more than our new hire. It’s not a question when you make a statement such as the one i quoted, and that you seem happy about it. If you think it’s so bad, why would you even consider applying here?

 

At this point in the conversation did you even read the lengthy well reasoned reply? You answered why you consider him an SOB but completely glossed over the question of year 1 vs year 2 pay disparity. Why, as pilots, do we tolerate this crap? Oh I forgot. We are pilots.

 

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I agree with everything you're saying, however, because of Spirit's Training Pay, our first year pay only looks better than UPS's if you are only looking at the hourly rate. Between (planning on) 3 months of training pay, and a lower monthly guarantee, Spirit comes in last. No one should be proud of first year pay here. Well, except those who brag about how they survived on last contract's pay. 45% 45% 45%!

 

I think you guys are talking past each other. I don’t think there’s a single pilot here who doesn’t think that pay should be higher (not just for new hires), but across the board. How much negotiating capital should we put into it next cycle?

 

He didn’t gloss over anything. He pointed out how hypocritical it is for this guy to mock first year pay and how he will make more at Compass, while actively seeking a job to work at Spirit. As someone perfectly stated, “do as I say, not as I do”.

As to your point about 1st year pay vs 2nd year pay disparity. Would you rather them lower second year to bridge the gap between the two? Because it seems the gap isn’t your issue but the starting pay is your issue. This has been discussed on here before you even started here and yet, you applied and took the job because you did the math and realized it still a no brainer for you to leave a regional and come here. I’m sorry if the $20 increase in year 1 pay from last contract still isn’t sufficient to maintain your regional pilot quality of life you were accustomed to, (Mesa? “)

I look forward to seeing you and everyone who wants higher first year pay on the picket lines in a few years as we fight for our next contract. I’m sure the fire for higher first year pay will still burn bright in all of your hearts while 40 of us walk the picket line again.

 

Oh good, so we’re starting this up again...