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Old 08-10-2020 | 12:49 PM
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Without trying to turn this into a political debate,
the executive order that Trump signed, does that mean we are “good to go” or are we still waiting on congress for the payroll extension?
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Old 08-10-2020 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
Without trying to turn this into a political debate,
the executive order that Trump signed, does that mean we are “good to go” or are we still waiting on congress for the payroll extension?
Up in the air. My honest opinion is that the only issue that will get sorted out is unemployment, displaced americans out of a job (tax break, eviction stalls, deferred payments etc.). I do not believe companies and PPP/PSP will get funded. Apparently I am not the only one. I just saw that bald guy from shark tank say pretty much the same thing on CNBC is what he expects.
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Old 08-10-2020 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAPsafetyGUY
Up in the air. My honest opinion is that the only issue that will get sorted out is unemployment, displaced americans out of a job (tax break, eviction stalls, deferred payments etc.). I do not believe companies and PPP/PSP will get funded. Apparently I am not the only one. I just saw that bald guy from shark tank say pretty much the same thing on CNBC is what he expects.
okay so sounds like the payroll protection was not part of the executive order.

again, not turning this is to political debate. But is the executive order legitimate? In other words, is congress still ironing out a deal, or have they stopped altogether because the executive order is legitimate. Sorry google doesn’t seem to help out much.
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Old 08-10-2020 | 01:13 PM
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Congress is in charge of appropriations, not the president. I don’t think it is worth the paper it’s written on according to the Constitution.
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Old 08-10-2020 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
Without trying to turn this into a political debate,
the executive order that Trump signed, does that mean we are “good to go” or are we still waiting on congress for the payroll extension?
Payroll support, nor the word "airline" was mentioned in any of the executive orders.

Congress writes checks, the President can stop collections and ease restrictions.

Congess is on recess until Sept 14, although they reportedly are "close to the phone" in case a miracle in the COVID relief situation happens.

As of now, no bill. No bill, no extension of said bill.
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Old 08-10-2020 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
okay so sounds like the payroll protection was not part of the executive order.

again, not turning this is to political debate. But is the executive order legitimate? In other words, is congress still ironing out a deal, or have they stopped altogether because the executive order is legitimate. Sorry google doesn’t seem to help out much.
It's all good. The heart of this very topic is totally political. A huge tug of war on whom the people will vote for depending on what happens with a CARES 2 Act. Those whom benefit will vote for whoever the strong party advocate was. Those whom dont benefit, well. It's like being in a line with others and getting picked by a team captain.
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Old 08-10-2020 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain

As of now, no bill. No bill, no extension of said bill.
Actually that is incorrect. The HEROS ACT (HR 6800) has passed the House, to my knowledge, the Senate has failed to pass their own version where a conference committee could iron out the differences. This whole directly negotiating with the President isn’t how passing bills is supposed to work....
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Old 08-10-2020 | 02:32 PM
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I did some more digging and found this.

“Still, negotiations are expected to continue this week, as even with the president’s executive orders, there remains much to be resolved.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...ck-coming/amp/

Also in the article it says both side are still in agreement on the CARES act.

So looks like there is still hope after all.
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Old 08-10-2020 | 02:35 PM
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The Executive order isn’t legal, but it is political. The Dems would rather walk genital deep through molten lead than to take the President to court to get his executive orders PROVIDING BENEFITS TO PEOPLE thrown out this close to an election, but neither can they let that precedent stand, which is why Schumer and Pelosi are now wheedling the Republicans to come back to the negotiating table. I think they now realize they can’t Get the $3 Trillion they wanted so they are going to see what they can get before folding on the $1 Trillion the Repubs proposed.
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Old 08-10-2020 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
Actually that is incorrect. The HEROS ACT (HR 6800) has passed the House, to my knowledge, the Senate has failed to pass their own version where a conference committee could iron out the differences. This whole directly negotiating with the President isn’t how passing bills is supposed to work....
Senate and the House need to 1)agree on the bill 2)Sent it to POTUS for signature

before it becomes operational and legal.

HEROES Act was dead on arrival in the Senate, who countered it with their own proposal.

Under the current administration, not one Republican governor (state) or US Congress person makes a decision without "bouncing it off" the President or one of the President's trusted circle.

right or wrong, this is what is happening

at the present time, we have no bill to attach an extension to.

Flight Attendant union is not happy about this, releasing this statement:

https://www.afacwa.org/executive_ord..._save_them_psp

edit: wrong link inserted

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